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🌕 Killers Of The Flower Moon’ 🌕-- Martin Scorsese, Leonardo DiCaprio & Robert De Niro (Discussion Thread)
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First part: The first girl I was in love with is Native, and I actually lived with her when we were 18. on the Reservation! Still close with her family. The dynamics are so similar, out here it's casino money, and all the tribal members get a monthly disbursement of 10-13k as soon as they are 18. And she was a tribal member. A lot of the guys that marry them/have kids, are like Ernest Burkhart types. Dead beats and drunks, losers.
Just her mannerisms between Molly and Anna, eerily similar, even down to the deadpan humor, that Molly used, and her directness. That's very very Native. Drinking with her for the time time, staying up all night drunk. Those houses. Res houses. With like 12 family members, and someone cooking all the time. The above line, they used to actually say to me, only he can steal her beers because she likes him, and that was exactly what happened. Her Mom looking at us somewhat scornfully sometimes, just drunk and all over each other in front of everyone.
Anyway, all that to say, I connected intensely to the book when I read it, and the movie. But, the first hour to me, was by far the strongest. Three masterful performances, and great direction. De Niro, De Caprio, and Gladstone absolutely some of the best acting of the year. Should get noms. Some beautiful shots. But, after that, it never DRAGGED, but it slacked, multiple times, didn't every lose my attention, but the tone started veering all over the place. The characters compounded, and were introduced as quick as they disappeared.
The heart of the story was sidelined, the best moments between Decaprio and Gladstone were gone. I still admired the performances but Gladstone was left without a lot to do, and Decaprio's actions, and acting were actually really funny, considering what was going on. Him being so dumb. I read some of the more critical reviews, and I agreed with a lot more than I wanted to. It reminded me way too much of The Irishman, which I didn't like that much. It didn't hit as hard as it could have. And reading a piece on Scorsese and violence, and cinema, I get it, but the affect is a little flat.
By the time the last hour rolls around, it felt like kind of a mess. The switching of testimonies. The courtroom scenes. The shuffling back and forth. There were half dozen great little moments that were kind of nodding at larger themes of genocide, white power and injustices, but it was going all over the place, as far as the main story was concerned. The tension and heartache felt very muted, or nonexistent, aside from a few really effective moments. The story overwhelmed the movie. By the final shot, it felt a bit like it had gone off the rails. The vaudville camp part, and then the last shot, which looked like a Casino ad. fukk. The movie was frustrating.
First part: The first girl I was in love with is Native, and I actually lived with her when we were 18. on the Reservation! Still close with her family. The dynamics are so similar, out here it's casino money, and all the tribal members get a monthly disbursement of 10-13k as soon as they are 18. And she was a tribal member. A lot of the guys that marry them/have kids, are like Ernest Burkhart types. Dead beats and drunks, losers.
Just her mannerisms between Molly and Anna, eerily similar, even down to the deadpan humor, that Molly used, and her directness. That's very very Native. Drinking with her for the time time, staying up all night drunk. Those houses. Res houses. With like 12 family members, and someone cooking all the time. The above line, they used to actually say to me, only he can steal her beers because she likes him, and that was exactly what happened. Her Mom looking at us somewhat scornfully sometimes, just drunk and all over each other in front of everyone.
Anyway, all that to say, I connected intensely to the book when I read it, and the movie. But, the first hour to me, was by far the strongest. Three masterful performances, and great direction. De Niro, De Caprio, and Gladstone absolutely some of the best acting of the year. Should get noms. Some beautiful shots. But, after that, it never DRAGGED, but it slacked, multiple times, didn't every lose my attention, but the tone started veering all over the place. The characters compounded, and were introduced as quick as they disappeared.
The heart of the story was sidelined, the best moments between Decaprio and Gladstone were gone. I still admired the performances but Gladstone was left without a lot to do, and Decaprio's actions, and acting were actually really funny, considering what was going on. Him being so dumb. I read some of the more critical reviews, and I agreed with a lot more than I wanted to. It reminded me way too much of The Irishman, which I didn't like that much. It didn't hit as hard as it could have. And reading a piece on Scorsese and violence, and cinema, I get it, but the affect is a little flat.
By the time the last hour rolls around, it felt like kind of a mess. The switching of testimonies. The courtroom scenes. The shuffling back and forth. There were half dozen great little moments that were kind of nodding at larger themes of genocide, white power and injustices, but it was going all over the place, as far as the main story was concerned. The tension and heartache felt very muted, or nonexistent, aside from a few really effective moments. The story overwhelmed the movie. By the final shot, it felt a bit like it had gone off the rails. The vaudville camp part, and then the last shot, which looked like a Casino ad. fukk. The movie was frustrating.
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Great acting esp from De Niro and Gladstone but man this movie has some serious pacing issues. For a 3.5 hour movie about a subject as relentlessly dark as this they really needed to be on their A game in that regard.
De Niro was top notch and it was dope to see him back in his bag working with good material and no de-aging. Got exactly what I wanted from him.
Leo was really good too but his character was so stupid and cowardly you couldn’t root for him but he wasn’t evil or interesting enough to actively root against or have any strong investment in.
I mean overall I liked it but definitely could’ve been structured better. They definitely should’ve been able to make this more suspenseful and compelling given all the wild shyt that was going down. The stellar acting and beautiful directing make it worth a watch but it’s not one of Marty’s best imo.
De Niro was top notch and it was dope to see him back in his bag working with good material and no de-aging. Got exactly what I wanted from him.
Leo was really good too but his character was so stupid and cowardly you couldn’t root for him but he wasn’t evil or interesting enough to actively root against or have any strong investment in.
I mean overall I liked it but definitely could’ve been structured better. They definitely should’ve been able to make this more suspenseful and compelling given all the wild shyt that was going down. The stellar acting and beautiful directing make it worth a watch but it’s not one of Marty’s best imo.
KevCo
Bond's gun spoke once....
Just walked out of a noon showing and it was 3:47 
Overall very good. I wish we got more of what was happening in the last 30 or so minutes. My biggest complaint, and this isnt the films fault, but 35 minutes of previews before a 3.5 hour movie, unacceptable.
Overall very good. I wish we got more of what was happening in the last 30 or so minutes. My biggest complaint, and this isnt the films fault, but 35 minutes of previews before a 3.5 hour movie, unacceptable.
I agree the last hour was the weakest for me. It lost a star rating for me
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Saysumthinfunnymike
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For me, the last hour was better than the first hour. When everything started going sideways Leo and Bobby UPPED their game and Plemons was outstanding as well... The pacing was also better in the last hour than the first hour.
DaKidFromNoWhere
Superstar
Alot are still dumb.
They still trust white people more than any other outside their tribe...
And end up getting fukked still.
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Superstar
fukking cinema!
the cac mamba
Veteran
middle of scorseses catalog, and embarrassing to make that a 3.5 hour movie. could have been done in 2 and it would have hit a lot harder; the length had me 
after a while
definitely showcased leo's range. he's usually "leo" in all his roles to a certain degree, but he left that behind to just be some dumbass redneck
plemons was good
after a whiledefinitely showcased leo's range. he's usually "leo" in all his roles to a certain degree, but he left that behind to just be some dumbass redneck
plemons was good
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Superstar
Been reading up on the history that the movie is based on and 
. Seems like every single white person in that town was gunning for the Osage's money by any means necessary.
. Seems like every single white person in that town was gunning for the Osage's money by any means necessary.
DaKidFromNoWhere
Superstar
Need that Black Wallstreet movie now.Been reading up on the history that the movie is based on and
A black director has to step up...
And also don't whitewash it.
Just walked out of a noon showing and it was 3:47
Overall very good. I wish we got more of what was happening in the last 30 or so minutes. My biggest complaint, and this isnt the films fault, but 35 minutes of previews before a 3.5 hour movie, unacceptable.
Bruh I showed up 25 mins on purpose and still got hit 15 mins of trailer+ads. AMC can kick rocks for that nonsense
The depiction of First Nations people in this movie was appalling. This is a story that needed to be told by a native voice.