Kevin Garnett top 20 player of all time?

[GoddamnyamanProf]

While dirk had to beat The Kobe/Gasol lakers, The Durant/Harden/Westbrook thunder and of course the Lebron/Wade/Bosh heat.

Mavericks' run last year was one of the most impressive of all time, this has been accepted and filed. Non-Chalant trying to downplay it and Dirk because his feelings are still hurt from them brooms. Like Laker fans were sooooo confident against Dallas before that WCF, flash forward to now and their team was just another overachieving scrub squad on Dallas' EASY road to a championship?

Typical dishonest, emotional nonsense.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Mavericks' run last year was one of the most impressive of all time, this has been accepted and filed. Non-Chalant trying to downplay it and Dirk because his feelings are still hurt from them brooms. Like Laker fans were sooooo confident against Dallas before that WCF, flash forward to now and their team was just another overachieving scrub squad on Dallas' EASY road to a championship?

Typical dishonest, emotional nonsense.

The scary part is almost everyone picked them to lose the last 3 series, especially the lakers and Heat series. Now it's nothing but revisionist history

This nikka dirk won with NO all stars, Just past their prime role players except for Tyson, who sucks on offense.

it's one of the most impressive things I've seen

 

[mastermind]

The scary part is almost everyone picked them to lose the last 3 series, especially the lakers and Heat series. Now it's nothing but revisionist history

This nikka dirk won with NO all stars, Just past their prime role players except for Tyson, who sucks on offense.

it's one of the most impressive things I've seen

last 3? They were nearly everyone's upset pick in the first round against Portland.

 

[SwagKingKong]

Did you even read the facts I stated? I could care less about who got the finals MVP; it's clear Garnett was their best player.

The only advantage Pierce is supposed to have on Garnett is scoring; which he didn't have during their title run. Garnett is the far superior defensive player and that team won the title because of their DEFENSE.

Garnett finished that season with a DPOY and ended up 3rd in the MVP voting. And you're sitting here talking about Pierce who don't even get the finals MVP unless he gets rolled out with a wheelchair and comes back and play. Everyone know it was a life-time achievement award for Pierce, he wasn't their best player.

 

[Street Knowledge]

last 3? They were nearly everyone's upset pick in the first round against Portland.

Especially after the game where Roy went crazy in the 4th.

 

[No1]

Where? I know you can't be referring to yourself because my record against you is obviously undefeated, young man.

Go ahead and feel that way. LOL@ "you mad." Come on, you're better than that and if you read my post you know what I meant. Only on here was the early Dirk who was a great scorer by shooting perimeter 3s and jumpers a better overall player than all defense and only player in history to average 20 10 and 5 for 5 straight seasons Kevin Garnett. Only played in history to average 20 10 and 4 for 9 straight seasons. Yes, at that point Dirk was clearly better and that 2002 series where KG was the man in the middle of zone for large stretches definitely showed that Dirk was clearly better.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Did you even read the facts I stated? I could care less about who got the finals MVP; it's clear Garnett was their best player.

The only advantage Pierce is supposed to have on Garnett is scoring; which he didn't have during their title run. Garnett is the far superior defensive player and that team won the title because of their DEFENSE.

Garnett finished that season with a DPOY and ended up 3rd in the MVP voting. And you're sitting here talking about Pierce who don't even get the finals MVP unless he gets rolled out with a wheelchair and comes back and play. Everyone know it was a life-time achievement award for Pierce, he wasn't their best player.

Lifetime achievement award Cause Garnett has all these finals MVP's stashed already right, he couldn't have used one?

I swear you dudes don't even think about what you're writing sometimes

I didn't consider your facts because they're arbitrary. Garnett averaged .7 more points than Pierce in the playoffs on a lot more shots. I must be missing how that's better. Not to mention that Pierce averaged more points both during the course of the regular season and in the finals where it matters most. KG being their best overall player is fair but Paul was still the 1A go-to option.

 

[SwagKingKong]

Lifetime achievement award Cause Garnett has all these finals MVP's stashed already right, he couldn't have used one?

I swear you dudes don't even think about what you're writing sometimes

I didn't consider your facts because they're arbitrary. Garnett averaged .7 more points than Pierce in the playoffs on a lot more shots. I must be missing how that's better. Not to mention that Pierce averaged more points both during the course of the regular season and in the finals where it matters most. KG being their best overall player is fair but Paul was still the 1A go-to option.

No, not because of the finals MVPs Garnett got; simply because he had been on the Celtics the longest of the big three.

You don't see the problem in your argument when you admit that Garnett scored more which is supposed to be what Pierce does better than him. Garnett outplays him in every other facet of the game yet you somehow find Pierce to be the better player when he didn't even score more. Ridiculous.

Yes, Pierce scored a little more than Garnett during the finals while Garnett outplayed him both on the glass and defensively. Yet again, Garnett is their clearly best player. You don't seem to understand that they won because of their dominant defense, Garnett anchored that defense and was BY far their best defensive player.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Go ahead and feel that way. LOL@ "you mad." Come on, you're better than that and if you read my post you know what I meant. Only on here was the early Dirk who was a great scorer by shooting perimeter 3s and jumpers a better overall player than all defense and only player in history to average 20 10 and 5 for 5 straight seasons Kevin Garnett. Only played in history to average 20 10 and 4 for 9 straight seasons. Yes, at that point Dirk was clearly better and that 2002 series where KG was the man in the middle of zone for large stretches definitely showed that Dirk was clearly better.

I'm so much better than that, which is why I didn't write that

Didn't say anything you're alleging, actually. Lol at a barrage of strawman arguments and imaginary quotes. I'd say you're better than that but I'm not so sure

What I took issue with is your statement of Dirk being a "one-trick pony." Like he's fukking Ben Gordon or something. Yeah lets just downplay one of the best and most underrated players of all time because that will make it hurt a little less. Like believing the Mavs somehow "got lucky" while SWEEPING your team and all that other garbage you guys subscribe to. Absolute nonsense and just reeks of bitterness and typical Laker hatred of every player that sons your squad.

 

[No1]

Mavericks' run last year was one of the most impressive of all time, this has been accepted and filed. Non-Chalant trying to downplay it and Dirk because his feelings are still hurt from them brooms. Like Laker fans were sooooo confident against Dallas before that WCF, flash forward to now and their team was just another overachieving scrub squad on Dallas' EASY road to a championship?

Typical dishonest, emotional nonsense.

This is what makes got me 90% of my positive reps on SOHH. You constantly try this nonsense once you meet someone who shyts on your bullshyt. I rooted FOR the Mavs in the finals and FOR them against OKC. I have nothing, but love for Dirk (but more for KG who was my favorite player) and that's documented but your foolishness won't let you see it. I wish Tre would man up and call some of you clowns out on this nonsense you're spewing. Saying that the Celtics played better teams is not saying that the Mavericks win was not impressive. Where did I say it wasn't? The dude typed up as far as "COMPETITION" goes. And I said, hold the fukk up. The Mavericks did not play superior competition than the Celtics did in 08. Granted, the Celtics were also better as a team than the Mavericks but so was their competition. I said Dirk was clearly better in the finals. Competition was a relatively tangential point and got more traction than it deserved my all sides.

To everyone generally, not Prof in particular:What's hilarious is that only in the COLI is this garbage the majority opinion. This forum gets so much wrong it's hysterical. DIRK was not better than a prime Kevin Garnett. Find me one all decade list that would suggest such. Find me any competent general managers that would suggest it. Kevin Garnett was a top 5 (and most times top 3) player from 2000 to 2008. You can't be serious. Dirk's run of being top 5 was nothing compared to that. He was a better scorer and that's where it stops. I responded to you because I have some respect for your posts, but don't embarrass yourself by co-signing some of this nonsense. This wasn't even about Dirk until these guys made it about Dirk. This was about guys acting like KG and Duncan were not considered remotely comparable early in the decade. Dirk got a couple sentences in the best PF discussion from me because that's all he deserved in the early 2000s because he was barely a top 10 player then.

In 2000-03 Kobe, KG, Duncan, T-Mac, AI, Pierce, Kidd, Shaq, Webber were all considered better than Dirk. Now guys want to re-write history and make it seem like KG was some scrub who was overrated back then.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

KG being their best overall player is fair

yet you somehow find Pierce to be the better player

 

[No1]

I'm so much better than that, which is why I didn't write that

Didn't say anything you're alleging, actually. Lol at a barrage of strawman arguments and imaginary quotes. I'd say you're better than that but I'm not so sure

What I took issue with is your statement of Dirk being a "one-trick pony." Like he's fukking Ben Gordon or something. Yeah lets just downplay one of the best and most underrated players of all time because that will make it hurt a little less. Like believing the Mavs somehow "got lucky" while SWEEPING your team and all that other garbage you guys subscribe to. Absolute nonsense and just reeks of bitterness and typical Laker hatred of every player that sons your squad.

Well, if you quote and laugh at posts of people who are spewing BS. I'm assuming you agree with them. You guys took the term "one trick pony" too far. It's not like I was saying this guy was a spot up 3 point specialist. Dirk is not underrated. He's rated right where he should be. A top 50 player. Probably somewhere in the top 30.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

This is what makes you an idiot who got me 90% of my positive reps on SOHH. You constantly try this nonsense once you meet someone who shyts on your bullshyt. I rooted FOR the Mavs in the finals and FOR them against OKC. I have nothing, but love for Dirk (but more for KG who was my favorite player) and that's documented but your foolishness won't let you see it. I wish Tre would man up and call some of you clowns out on this nonsense you're spewing.

Lol I have no idea what any of this is supposed to mean. What does Tremont have to do with anything? Reps on sohh? Wasn't everybody maxed out on those? I mean, my last rep I got on the site before the migration was one from a typical thread w/ one of our typical exchanges and the typical ending, talking about how you pretend to know shyt but are mostly clueless

You have nothing but love for Dirk but you want desperately to reduce him to one-trick pony. Vinny Johnson status. Right.

Rest of your post was already addressed/not applicable.

Edit: Wow, we got one-trick ponies in the top 30 players ever now. Interesting stuff

 

[No1]

Boston beat a 37 win Hawk team, a 45 win cavs( before they were good) team and the pistons. Oh and the Lakers that were missing Bynum. Stop it breh. The east was(and still is Garbage). The celtics Had an EASY road to the chip that year. The Celtics played a young and up and coming Hawks team. That team would have beaten the Blazers with Roy looking flabby like that. Those Cavaliers took the eventual champion Celtics to 7 and played them harder than anyone else. Stop it.

While dirk had to beat The Kobe/Gasol lakers, The Durant/Harden/Westbrook thunder and of course the Lebron/Wade/Bosh heat. What Kobe/Gasol Lakers. 08-10 were the Kobe/Gasol Lakers. '11 was there corpse. They struggled with the Hornets and Kobe was on one knee while Pau menstruated. Dirk didn't have to be all world to beat the Lakers. He wasn't even why the Lakers couldn't beat the Mavericks. The Mavs were just better for the first time in 3 years. The Thunder were young and inexperienced, they were green and inconsistent. The Pistons of 08 would have beaten them. Durant was out there going missing for quarters at a time. Westbrook was saboing

ALL Without HCA, or anyone nearly as good as Pierce or Allen. KG never came close to doing anything like that, and as I said That run bodies KG's 08' run and anything he ever did in the postseason. That TEAM run is more impressive than any run in KG's career because they were constant underdogs no question. But all Dirk was asked to do was score and close (which he was incredible at obviously). My point was, he was never asked to guard an elite player or expend that type of energy he did no thave any of the responsibilities KG had. KG was faulted for not beating contenders by HIMSELF? WTF? Wasn't Dirk calling out Terry and other guys to step up? Didn't they? Didn't LeBron shrink? 1 time "all star" Wally was the best KG had aside from Sam that 1 run with Spree. Wally shot about 42% in the playoffs.

But its not just last year, Dirk has always been a better playoff performer the KG, and that's why he's better.No. He's always been a better playoff scorer. Just like he's a better regular season scorer. There is not a single T-Wolves team from early in the 2000s that is better off with Dirk than KG, but a couple of Mavericks teams are arguable. Especially the year they lost to Portland.

 

[brick james]

How can you lead a team to playoff wins without being a go-to scorer down the stretch? It's obvious why KG needed help to win big.