Just watched the movie "Backstage" for the 1st time in years and realized that

[Enzo]

That's all cool. I don't knock how someone gets money.

All the dude said is Jay had to be 10 times more focused to be successful and he stepped up to the plate.

 

[pete clemenza]

Personality wise I think everybody on this board agrees that if we spent a day with Jay and a day with Redman, or anybody else from the tour we could see why Jay is where he's at and why the rest of them are where they are. If anybody disagrees with that then I don't think they're mentally capable of comprehending.

If you actually sat down with Jay for let's say two hours what would jay say and do that would impress you? And what would redman do while you sat down with him? I guess according to you jay would be reading the WSJ and red would send you to the corner store for a pack of swishers.. Am I right?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Don't think the op is in love with jay as much as he's in love with the concept of corporate assimilation in hip hop...jay z just happens to be the poster boy for it...meth and red and everybody were just on tour being dumb worthless rap nikkas, while jay was in the early stages of a glorious transformation into as close to a middle aged wealthy jewish record exec as possible

 

[No1]

SMH at this veiled jay-z love thread. There are more factors to Jay's success than him being smarter than the rest of the pack. Dame/Bigg were the business he was the artist that succeed due to them. He then went on to screw them and make other business deals that successful artist normally get. Anyone who sells millions of records gets the same deals. It really isn't that big of a deal. What does he really OWN though? Most of his business is the face that sells the product. 50 owns shyt, Eminem owns shyt too. Jay is normally the go to safe black guy they use when they want to sell us something. He can't even speak for 15 seconds without saying "um" so don't give me this Jay-z intelligence rant. He loves money and will work on behalf of the business interest that will pay him simple and plain. He is doing beer now even though we all know he probably doesn't drink. I could go on..........

So you know exactly how it all went down huh? Him saying um means he isn't smart? No, he's just awkward in interviews like Nas and many others. Relax. Go take a time out

 

[Day_Walker]

I don't think he is dissing other artists.

He is saying yo Jay is super successful and you can see why when you look at how he acts vs how these other cats acted in the film backstage.

Your argument can be that maybe the others didn't want to be successful but that's neither here nor there since blackthoughts whole argument is based on the premise of Jay is successful as a result of his demeanor/work ethic and is respected as such.

Even that's totally wrong though. p diddy, snoop and a lot of rockstars party hard and their demeanor is nothing like jays yet they're still succesful.
I understand the work ethic angle but you can't tell that from a video like that? Snoop and p diddy would both be clowing with the rest of the rappers if they were in that video.

Jay isn't the type of person to be loud and clown alot and it's obvious from alot of behind the scene videos and interviews but THAT'S NOT the reason that he's so sucessful.
There's probably plenty of people/rappers with similar demeanors like jay on the outside yet they could be lazy as fuk and on the same level as those rappers that are loud and getiting fukked up partying.

I'm sure lupe fiasco doesn't smoke or drink and I don't see him ever acting wild yet he's only (relatively speaking) worth 8-9 million according the first 4 links on google yet redman's worth 20 million.

I know those things aren't always accurate but the fact 4 differrent links have about the same figure lends some credibility to it.

 

[kermit da hustla]

If you actually sat down with Jay for let's say two hours what would jay say and do that would impress you? And what would redman do while you sat down with him? I guess according to you jay would be reading the WSJ and red would send you to the corner store for a pack of swishers.. Am I right?

 

[No1]

Even that's totally wrong though. p diddy, snoop and a lot of rockstars party hard and their demeanor is nothing like jays yet they're still succesful.
I understand the work ethic angle but you can't tell that from a video like that? Snoop and p diddy would both be clowing with the rest of the rappers if they were in that video.

Jay isn't the type of person to be loud and clown alot and it's obvious from alot of behind the scene videos and interviews but THAT'S NOT the reason that he's so sucessful.
There's probably plenty of people/rappers with similar demeanors like jay on the outside yet they could be lazy as fuk and on the same level as those rappers that are loud and getiting fukked up partying.

I'm sure lupe fiasco doesn't smoke or drink and I don't see him ever acting wild yet he's only (relatively speaking) worth 8-9 million according the first 4 links on google yet redman's worth 20 million.

I know those things aren't always accurate but the fact 4 differrent links have about the same figure lends some credibility to it.

Redman has been in the game how much longer than Lupe. Furthermore, how someone carries themselves when the cameras are on is relevant. As for Diddy, the whole partying thing is part of his image. That is part of his brand. That is part of what makes him Diddy. That's how someone who is not a a major artist continues to get endorsement deals because he's a "personality." Using Diddy is a horrible example. His outgoing personality is his angle the same way Jay's laidback and crafty hustler vibe is his angle. The difference is that while Diddy may act that way, he's also a known workaholic. Those other guys are not known for having those same traits. But what it really comes down to is motivation. Those guys didn't have the vision to be where Jay's at. They were happy where they were at. Not everybody has that desire to maximize their potential in life. Sometimes that may actually be a good thing. I should know, I have that trait and sometimes it's unhealthy. You're hard to satisfy.

 

[Enzo]

Redman has been in the game how much longer than Lupe. Furthermore, how someone carries themselves when the cameras are on is relevant. As for Diddy, the wold partying is part of his image. That is part of his brand. That is part of what makes him Diddy. That's how someone who is not a a major artist continues to endorsement deals because he's a "personality." Using Diddy is a horrible example. His outgoing personality is his angle the same way Jay's laidback and crafty hustler vibe is his angle. The difference is that while Diddy may act that way, he's also a known workaholic. Those other guys are not known for having those same traits. But what is really comes down to is motivation. Those guys didn't have the vision to be where Jay's at. They were happy where they were at. Not everybody has that desire to maximize their potential in life. Sometimes that may actually be a good thing. I should know, I have that trait and sometimes it's unhealthy. You're hard to satisfy.

And this right here is why they say ignorance is bliss. Jay still is on that race to a billion, right wife, right life, revolutionized the game. But that drive/desire and he still might not even be contempt/happy.

-People still compare him to the greats
-He still has that Nas L

but besides that, he pretty much did it his way and changed the world. I just wonder why he doesn't retire and enjoy life at this point.

 

[Enzo]

Even that's totally wrong though. p diddy, snoop and a lot of rockstars party hard and their demeanor is nothing like jays yet they're still succesful.
I understand the work ethic angle but you can't tell that from a video like that? Snoop and p diddy would both be clowing with the rest of the rappers if they were in that video.

Jay isn't the type of person to be loud and clown alot and it's obvious from alot of behind the scene videos and interviews but THAT'S NOT the reason that he's so sucessful.
There's probably plenty of people/rappers with similar demeanors like jay on the outside yet they could be lazy as fuk and on the same level as those rappers that are loud and getiting fukked up partying.

I'm sure lupe fiasco doesn't smoke or drink and I don't see him ever acting wild yet he's only (relatively speaking) worth 8-9 million according the first 4 links on google yet redman's worth 20 million.

I know those things aren't always accurate but the fact 4 differrent links have about the same figure lends some credibility to it.

You saw Diddy in Making The Band
You seen Snoop in the making of his album

These guys work until perfection.

Jay and Diddy got together and made the masterpiece that is American Gangster

Snoop called in that favor and him and Jay made I wanna rock G-Mix which worked as wack as the gimmick behind it was.

 

[Day_Walker]

But what is really comes down to is motivation. Those guys didn't have the vision to be where Jay's at. They were happy where they were at. Not everybody has that desire to maximize their potential in life. Sometimes that may actually be a good thing. I should know, I have that trait and sometimes it's unhealthy. You're hard to satisfy.

I think we all agree on that.
What we're all trying to say is you can't tell all that from watching a backstage edited video which is what OP is doing and what this thread is based on.

Jay isn't the type of person to be loud and clown alot and it's obvious from alot of behind the scene videos and interviews but THAT'S NOT the reason that he's so sucessful.
There's probably plenty of people/rappers with similar demeanors like jay on the outside yet they could be lazy as fuk and on the same level as those rappers that are loud and getiting fukked up partying.

 

[jaguar paw]

Diddy drunk on camera...


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I'll never forget watching him host the BET show after party in 2010. Dude was wildin.

42 mins of

He gets increasingly drunker by the night. Around the 31 minute mark he loses it.

This nikka was butchering his artists interviews, being extremely loud & obnoxious, dancing (all in the video ) , and making a complete idiot of himself.

http://www.badboyblog.com/item/2010...nelle-monae-red-cafe-queen-latifah-drake-more

This nikka got kicked off of American Idol for trying to work with an artist while drunk.

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Matter fact...just google "Diddy Drunk" and you'll see all types of fukkery




and this is the cash king

 

[Day_Walker]

You saw Diddy in Making The Band
You seen Snoop in the making of his album

These guys work until perfection.

Jay and Diddy got together and made the masterpiece that is American Gangster

Snoop called in that favor and him and Jay made I wanna rock G-Mix which worked as wack as the gimmick behind it was.

Read the first post in this thread and read my post again.
My post is in reply to the fact that this whole thread is based on that all those people partying/clowing/getting wasted is proof that they're not motivated while jay being quiet and acting "mature" shows why he is so successful.
All I'm trying to say is that there's people out there that would be clowing with all those guys and getting fukked up in the video if they were there yet they can still be just as succesful.
And there's plenty of people that are quiet and don't drink or smoke that will never see the success of alot of those rappers acting wild.
Being motivated and having a strong work ethic has a lot more to do with it than being quiet and introverted (which jay is).
And than there's people out there that are GENUINELY happy not being bosses and having all the stress and pressure that comes with it.
Money ain't everything

 

[No1]

Read the first post in this thread and read my post again.
My post is in reply to the fact that this whole thread is based on that all those people partying/clowing/getting wasted is proof that they're not motivated while jay being quiet and acting "mature" shows why he is so successful.
All I'm trying to say is that there's people out there that would be clowing with all those guys and getting fukked up in the video if they were their yet they can still be just as succesful.
And there's plenty of people that are quiet and don't drink or smoke that will never see the success of alot of those rappers acting wild.

I can agree on that, but that way of acting reflective of how those guys actually carried themselves all the time. Jay's more low key, but that's also what makes him a "safe bet" like T.I. was before the gun fiasco. Allowing themselves to be viewed in that light is why they are only marketed for certain things or presented with certain business opportunities. Aside from how they act there, it is known that Diddy is focused on business and is successful as was 50 Cent. You can gamble on those guys because you know they won't do anything negative and are hip, but won't do anything to jeopardize their position financially. You're more afraid with those other guys.

The point is, only one side of those guys is ever presented. Look at it like this, Jay-Z was on trial for supposedly stabbing someone and is still regarded as more marketable than a lot of those guys and he presents himself a certain way. You can use Red and Meth for How High, but you don't know if you can have them as front and center for your major dealership commercial. In that sense, that video is a microcosm of their success. It's the image they projected to the public and to potential clients and investors. That's not to say that investors were lining up looking for Hip Hop partners.

 

[CrimsonTider]

OP needs to be banned

 

[Billy Ocean]

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Drunk on Chelsea Lately

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I'll never forget watching him host the BET show after party in 2010. Dude was wildin.

42 mins of

He gets increasingly drunker by the night. Around the 31 minute mark he loses it.

This nikka was butchering his artists interviews, being extremely loud & obnoxious, dancing (all in the video ) , and making a complete idiot of himself.

Bad Boy Blog » Full Video: 2010 BET Awards After Party Hosted by Diddy (Featuring Dirty Money, Janelle Monae, Red Cafe, Queen Latifah, Drake, More)

This nikka got kicked off of American Idol for trying to work with an artist while drunk.

Diddy Drunk | FreddyO.com



Matter fact...just google "Diddy Drunk" and you'll see all types of fukkery




and this is the cash king

Threadstarter and every dude cosigning him will avoid this post like the plague