Jokic is really about to be a 3peat MVP

[Professor Emeritus]

47 and 48 wins won mvp when we were told for years 50 was the low bar for the award.

Explain that......


Joker seems to be getting evaluated from a different rule book.

Who "told" you this? The voices in your head?

First off that first season was just a 72 game season. 47 wins that year was the same winning % as 54 wins in a normal year, and tons of 54-win guys have MVPs.

Second, Russ Westbrook won on a 47-win team just four years earlier. Moses Malone won on a 46-win team and a 47-win team. Kareem won on a 40-win team, a losing record. MJ won with exactly 50 wins. McAdoo won on a 49-win team. Bob Petitt has the record, winning on just a 33 win team (but also a 72-game season). Wilt won on a 47-win team, exactly same season length as Jokic.


So it seems like your imaginary cutoff was totally manufactured. What matters is how your stats + wins + narrative compare to the other players that year, not to some magic arbitrary line.

 

[Dorian Breh]

That's because his support cast has been trash and/or underperformed.

It's no coincidence the one time he went to the WCF he had someone step up to be his sidekick. What did anyone expect him to do last season without his #2 and #3 options? Beat the NBA champions? The teams he leads typically overperforms during the regular season because of how great he is, which then lead folks to believe they're better than they actually are.

How many stars would've led their team to 50 wins with Gordon, Barton, Morris and Jeff Green as a support cast? There isn't one.

Clearly you dont watch the games

Jokic loses in the playoff because he gets targeted on the Pnr

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He looks like a complete non-factor in the playoffs. Where are his 50 point games like Giannis?

Jokic has a ton of massive games in the playoffs, not pure scoring but 30-20-10 and 35-10-10 and 40-8-8 sort of lines. In 2020 they came from behind to beat the Jazz, then came from 3-1 down to beat the Clippers, and looked strong against the Lakers. Yeah he couldn't beat the Suns or the Warriors but his supporting cast both years was doing nothing, you don't beat a team 1-on-5. He never looks like a "complete non-factor", where'd you get that bullshyt?

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

And still won’t win shyt

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Jokic is white but he's also from Serbia

3 straight ain't happening again unless some white american cac dominates

 

[Stone]

Big reason Jokic won the first 2 is because Embiid and Ja got hurt the last 2 years. Can’t punish him for that

 

[Brandsdale]

Then we definitely should have very high postseason expectations for him then

he should be going to the finals then

 

[Brandsdale]

why does the league hate Jayson Tatum so much?

 

[NoMorePie]

Why do people keep grouping playoff success for a regular season award

 

[High quality poster]

A 7 foot doofy Steve Nash that is all.


He be making me money tho. Jokic +45 (points, rebounds, assist) always hitting brehs

 

[Shadow King]

The nuggets haven't done shyt


Mvp is most valuable player.


(Regular season + post season accomplishments) by the root of player individual statics.

You just see cacs and numbers and your Gump ass is like yes em.

if you white your are even more of a Gump

Not a regular season MVP criteria.

This race shyt is corny.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Although many people feel he doesn't deserve to have back to back MVPs (me one of them) and he's got something to prove, just about every basketball fan agrees he's amazing to watch with his unique skill set.

Had no issue with the 2 he got especially without Murray but nah for another one

Giannis, Tatum are my leaders right now

 

[BaggerofTea]

Not a regular season MVP criteria.

This race shyt is corny.

Imagine being a negro saying this stupid shyt

 

[Budda]

He deserved the last two but Giannis should be ahead of him for this season.

 

[No1]

Who "told" you this? The voices in your head?

First off that first season was just a 72 game season. 47 wins that year was the same winning % as 54 wins in a normal year, and tons of 54-win guys have MVPs.

Second, Russ Westbrook won on a 47-win team just four years earlier. Moses Malone won on a 46-win team and a 47-win team. Kareem won on a 40-win team, a losing record. MJ won with exactly 50 wins. McAdoo won on a 49-win team. Bob Petitt has the record, winning on just a 33 win team (but also a 72-game season). Wilt won on a 47-win team, exactly same season length as Jokic.


So it seems like your imaginary cutoff was totally manufactured. What matters is how your stats + wins + narrative compare to the other players that year, not to some magic arbitrary line.

It was literally said all throughout the 2000s that you can’t be MVP if you don’t win 50 plus games. You really do need to tone down the condescending way you talk to people. It’s a message board, and you’re not that important. Unless someone is being a clown then you need to relax. And as always, you leave out key details as if MVP in the 70s was MVP in the 2000s when most people here were coming of age. You literally had people saying it’s a “team award” - including people who won it (i.e. Kobe and LeBron). Kareem won MVP while missing the playoffs when players voted. There are three players in history to have won the MVP award without winning at least 50 games since the media took over the vote in 79-80. Moses Malone did it twice - last in 1982 and then we have had Jokic and WestBrook in recent years.

In other words, an entire generation never saw the media anoint someone as MVP who had not won at least 50 games and for you to pretend that there’s no basis for @Jplaya2023 perspective is just your usual pompous and seemingly googled way of thinking about basketball history. We all lived through that in real time, and the NBA players themselves literally created their own award and gave it to Harden to express their displeasure with how the media had awarded MVP, and every other award.

Joker deserved his awards BTW.