I'm noticing how you haven't once tried to debunk any of my arguments in here, you're just resorting to talking about some other shyt.
I already debunked plenty yesterday
Jason Kidd is one of the most overrated players ever
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I already debunked plenty yesterday
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
This is what no one can admit. Kidd was a lot closer to before knee injury Rubio than a Chris Paul.
Who can "stop" prime kobe though? You're being misleading on purpose. In 2008 Brice Bowen would have been the primary defender on kobe anyway so what does that matter?
The Spurs in that series flat out choked. They choked multiple 15+ pt leads that series and was flat out robbed at the end of game 4. They could have easuily been up 3-1 going into game 5 where they choked another double digit lead
Game 1 Spurs blew a 20 point lead with 17 minutes left in the game
Game 4 they got robbed at the end
Game 5 they were up 15+ and choked
If instead of playing a washed finley, ime and vaughn a combined 40 minutes a night, if 25-30 went to Jason, that series would have been a different outcome.
They lost because they couldn’t stop Kobe and their offense was terrible. There is zero evidence that Kidd is gonna remedy both those problems. What in Kidd’s skill set makes you think he’s stopping these chokes? What about his postseason career makes you think he’s changing anything. It’s not like he has some killerhalf court offensive game to stop the bleeding
I also like how you conceding that kidd’s defense(his main calling card) wouldn’t matter
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Anyone saying the Spurs would have won four or five straight NBA titles is not worth having a conversation with. No rational thought present.I wouldn’t pick Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan to win 4 straight chips but Jason Kidd and Tim Duncan apparently would
Their offense was "terrible" because their bench was ass. The starters had big leads that the bench blew every time. Lets say for sake of argument kidd was coming off the bench, their offense wouldnt have been half as bad and they would be able to sustain leadsThey lost because they couldn’t stop Kobe and their offense was terrible. There is zero evidence that Kidd is gonna remedy both those problems.
I also like how you conceding that kidd’s defense(his main calling card) wouldn’t matter
They lost to the lakers on a miracle shot in 04 and lost to dallas because of a stupid manu foul in 06. The idea that its impossible for that not happen is laughable
There’s nothing about kids offensive game that makes me think he’s capable of those sustaining leads and his defense ain’t stopping the guy who was engineering the comebacks
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Their half court offense was terrible because they were playing through Duncan who was older. The Spurs never had a great offense with prime Duncan but it was worse at that point. Kidd crowding things and bricking jumpers wasn’t gonna make things better.
You are a fool.
JesusFOREVER
Superstar
I was never that impressed
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Lets go back to this. Marbury and Kidd played under similar circumstances? Where?No Kendall Gill slander
And stop being so dishonest. That wasn't the Starting Lineup Marbury played with every night.
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Claiming a team "choked" because they traded runs in the 2nd quarter is a weird narrative.
After a 13-13 tie, Spurs went on a 20-7 run in the first quarter to open a 13-point lead. In the 2nd quarter, the Lakers scored 9 straight to close it back to 6 with a minute still left in the first half. The rest of the game, no one led by more than 10. That's not "choking", that's just typical early-game runs.
Overall the Spurs did have worse 2nd halves than 1st halves, but that's because their core rotation included 37yo Bruce Bowen, 35yo Michael Finley, 36yo Brent Barry, 35yo Kurt Thomas, and Manu whose ankle was the size of a grapefruit at the time. They were just too old and hurt to last full games. Even if Manu had been healthy so he put up his normal averages and could have guarded Kobe more (so less need to play old-ass Bowen 35 minutes/game), they would have had a good chance to pull out the series.
Bop Gun
Turn Me Loose, We Shall Overcome
Where are you going with this? I never made a Marbury comparison... you did.
The Nets picked up Marbury in the Strike-Shortened Season. That's also when all the shyt happened with Jayson Williams. The Marbury experiment didn't pan out for New Jersey... that is not Marbury's fault.
But yeah, Jason Kidd style of PG will always be superior to a Stephon Marbury style PG.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Was off the Coli for a week and come back to threads about brehs not watching the Finals and shytting on J.Kidd lmao