Jalen Rose's charter school is a flop its 1st year

[dora_da_destroyer]

All we have is us. We have to demand more from our elected leaders. Demand better accommodations.

Running away from the problem doesn’t solve the problem.

ok, so what about the communities that have been demanding more for years yet watch schools get worse and worse? at what point do you do something different or do you simply settle for the insanity of doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm also interested in this fantasy school district.
What city in the U.S. with more than 75,000 people doesn't have specialized public schools, magnet schools, or alternative schools - and also forces a kid to go to their home school? And in what world would this city have charter schools, and not just a typical parochial school?

I'm pretty familiar with the U.S. education system and would love for you to provide an example.

oakland - the vast majority of kids are relegated to their assigned district (based on where they live). there has been some movement to create ranked choice applications which the most vigilant of parents might take advantage of (though they are filled with layers upon layers of prioritization attributes which make getting out of your district tough...we also don't have school buses, so if you're a parent who can't take your kid to school, you're unlikely to send them far from home, at least in elementary), but the best elementary schools are mostly filled with local kids with the majority of the remainder (which is a small percentage) going to prioritized census tracts, and the only truly good high school is damn near impossible to get into if you're not in the assigned district as it's already overenrolled from just local kids.

OUSD also doesn't have magnet schools (there are a couple of magnet charter schools), and the alternative schools mainly cater to the most disruptive, behaviorally challenged, violent kids (those who've been expelled from other schools), kids who've been in juvie or other correctional programs, kids who are parents/pregnant, and/or kids who will turn 19+ before finishing high school. OUSD is a pure shyt show

edit: also, the parochial (catholic) schools in Oakland all cost money

 

[get these nets]

What has happened over the last 60 years that has led to the retrenchment of racial and economic segregation? And why are you trying to push the siphoning off of public resources into small educational fiefdoms that: (1) replicate if not worsen the results of their comparative public peers; (2) exist to allow economic and racial segregation on an ever more localized scale than the segregated public school system and; (3) exist exclusively to siphon off resources from the state and into the hands of "investors?



Instead, the obvious solution isn't charter schools, or anything in that realm of public-private partnership idiocy. It is instead: (1) increasing funding for educators, wrap-around services, resources in the schools, and summer/after-school programming and; (2) greater community investment - focused on healthcare and housing.

With all due respect, what you wrote isn't feasible.

The wealthier sections of each state tend to view the poorer areas as a drain on state resources already. Their assemblymen/state senators won't sign off on increased funding for failing school districts.

Greater community investment from where? The residents from the poor districts? The private sector? You said you are wary of public/private partnerships.

 

[mastermind]

ok, so what about the communities that have been demanding more for years yet watch schools get worse and worse? at what point do you do something different or do you simply settle for the insanity of doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

1) that's not the definition of insanity
2) like I have said continuously, the problem is still going to be there if you run away from it.

THe bigger issue is that property taxes should not be tied to school funding.

 

[skylove4]

That sounds nice but it hasn't worked very well for the last 50 years.

Why do we force children to go to their local neighborhood school simply because of where they live? What if the school is trash? Then what? If the parents don't have any money then they have no options.

In no other industry do we accept that kind of monopoly. Imagine if you could only go to one hospital or one grocery store for years. But for some reason when it comes to schools we accept this when the reality is that different kinds of kids have different kinds of needs. The effect of not having school choice is that certain communities have been locked into poverty with no access to a school that is set up to help them escape it.

All that being said charter schools are not always the answer. Some of them are great and should be applauded for high school or college graduation rates. Many of them are just as good as local district schools but maybe offer different things and others are complete trash. But why wouldn't you give a parent the option to decide?

You don’t need to go to hospitals or grocery stores 5 days out of the week for 8 hours. The schools closest to the child should be good or improved

 

[DonFrancisco]

I think charter schools are not the solution. Creating competition to get federal money and tuition from parents will create a de-centralize system where the state will have to in essence herd cats and work multiple shareholders just go in a general direction

Also Rose Academy doesn't take on one of the root-causes. Lack of parental involvement. Sometimes parents either:

1) get intimidated by the school system
2) don't know how to voice concerns
3) lack of knowledge on the different sorts of involvement
4) how to foster a healthy relationship with teachers

We as a country preach to disadvantage populations and Latinos/black to get involved in with education. Has anyone asked the question: have we properly taught parents and the community a whole how to engage in a child's education? What about the relationship between the community and the school?

We in this chat are looking at this from the child or school productivity. Have we looked at the inputs to making a school run efficiency?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

1) that's not the definition of insanity
2) like I have said continuously, the problem is still going to be there if you run away from it.

THe bigger issue is that property taxes should not be tied to school funding.

The problem is there confronting it as well. You seem to want to skip that. People have been fighting for better schools for decades, it’s the reason charters have been able to boom the past 20ish years, people are at wit’s end with trying to fight a system officials and governments can’t seem to, or don’t care to, fix

 

[OfTheCross]

He should've holla'd at Andre Agassi for an assist

Or Pitbull

 

[mastermind]

The problem is there confronting it as well. You seem to want to skip that. People have been fighting for better schools for decades, it’s the reason charters have been able to boom the past 20ish years, people are at wit’s end with trying to fight a system officials and governments can’t seem to, or don’t care to, fix

Then we should give up on everything because public schools isn’t the only problem.

Hoping to win the jackpot ain’t it.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Then we should give up on everything because public schools isn’t the only problem.

Hoping to win the jackpot ain’t it.

I’m not even sure what you’re talking about re: jackpot and you’re not offering any solutions so ok, good night.

 

[RAX 010]

Should've holla'd at Bron Bron to show him how to do it right

 

[GunRanger]

Damn, y’all came in here trying to tear breh down from jump

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Those are results basically 10 years after opening. I have no problem with people targeting the results, this thread shyt on him out the gate for even trying.

Furthermore, this is Detroit and this school isnt handpicking the best kids for optimal results - are these results in line with other public schools? Are there other measures to look at such as graduation rate, kids staying out of trouble, etc. it may not be an academic win, but if his school is keeping kids off the street and out the system, that’s something positive

 

[CrimsonTider]

1) that's not the definition of insanity
2) like I have said continuously, the problem is still going to be there if you run away from it.

THe bigger issue is that property taxes should not be tied to school funding.

You’re last point should be the main point in this argument

also when you’re trying run an inner city school system will always look like you’re doing a bad job from the outside in.

trust me, most of the local school administrations are performing miracles every day

 

[CrimsonTider]

Those are results basically 10 years after opening. I have no problem with people targeting the results, this thread shyt on him out the gate for even trying.

Furthermore, this is Detroit and this school isnt handpicking the best kids for optimal results - are these results in line with other public schools? Are there other measures to look at such as graduation rate, kids staying out of trouble, etc. it may not be an academic win, but if his school is keeping kids off the street and out the system, that’s something positive

Charted schools will never ever be the answer