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Are you anti school choice?
Jalen Rose's charter school is a flop its 1st year
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i hope he can improve the school but in general i hate how the most disadvantaged students are told to try to win some lottery to get into a small number of supposedly better schools. quality education should be made to be systemic and universal, not piecemeal and rare.
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Yes.
We have to improve our schools, not run off to other schools and leave the mess for others.
"School choice"
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That sounds nice but it hasn't worked very well for the last 50 years.
Why do we force children to go to their local neighborhood school simply because of where they live? What if the school is trash? Then what? If the parents don't have any money then they have no options.
In no other industry do we accept that kind of monopoly. Imagine if you could only go to one hospital or one grocery store for years. But for some reason when it comes to schools we accept this when the reality is that different kinds of kids have different kinds of needs. The effect of not having school choice is that certain communities have been locked into poverty with no access to a school that is set up to help them escape it.
All that being said charter schools are not always the answer. Some of them are great and should be applauded for high school or college graduation rates. Many of them are just as good as local district schools but maybe offer different things and others are complete trash. But why wouldn't you give a parent the option to decide?
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It hasn’t worked, and running away won’t help either because white people don’t like black people and affluent people don’t like poor people.
School choice doesn’t solve the problem.
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So your answer is what then? If I am a parent with children who are zoned into a garbage school system what should I do?
What has happened over the last 60 years that has led to the retrenchment of racial and economic segregation? And why are you trying to push the siphoning off of public resources into small educational fiefdoms that: (1) replicate if not worsen the results of their comparative public peers; (2) exist to allow economic and racial segregation on an ever more localized scale than the segregated public school system and; (3) exist exclusively to siphon off resources from the state and into the hands of "investors?
This isn't an industry - it's a public good and a right.
I also hate to tell you this, but considering the large percentage of the U.S. population that lives in a food desert and the absolutely abysmal state of the medical-industrial complex, your poor examples of hospitals and grocery stores are probably telling a different story than the one you planned.
Instead, the obvious solution isn't charter schools, or anything in that realm of public-private partnership idiocy. It is instead: (1) increasing funding for educators, wrap-around services, resources in the schools, and summer/after-school programming and; (2) greater community investment - focused on healthcare and housing.
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"School choice"
Weasel words for 1000, Alex!
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All we have is us. We have to demand more from our elected leaders. Demand better accommodations.
Running away from the problem doesn’t solve the problem.
I'm also interested in this fantasy school district.
What city in the U.S. with more than 75,000 people doesn't have specialized public schools, magnet schools, or alternative schools - and also forces a kid to go to their home school? And in what world would this city have charter schools, and not just a typical parochial school?
I'm pretty familiar with the U.S. education system and would love for you to provide an example.
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"What has happened over the last 60 years that has led to the retrenchment of racial and economic segregation? And why are you trying to push the siphoning off of public resources into small educational fiefdoms that: (1) replicate if not worsen the results of their comparative public peers; (2) exist to allow economic and racial segregation on an ever more localized scale than the segregated public school system and; (3) exist exclusively to siphon off resources from the state and into the hands of "investors?"
So many broad generalizations here. #1 is true in some districts and circumstances but not in others. The research is mixed here but here is a meta analysis says that the reverse is true and that charters outperform traditional schools. Charter Schools and Student Outcomes: What Have We Learned Over Two Decades? – Calder Council
#2 Not sure what your point is here. Racial and economic segregation is bad whether or not it is localized or less localized. Increasing localization does what exactly?
#3 You should know full well the fallacy of using a term like "exist exclusively". Are there some schools that exist for this purpose? Sure. But I don't think that's most schools. There is a difference between for profit and nonprofit charter schools which you are ignoring. Non profits legally can't exist for the purpose of siphoning off resources to an investor. Most charters are nonprofit entities.
"Instead, the obvious solution isn't charter schools, or anything in that realm of public-private partnership idiocy. It is instead: (1) increasing funding for educators, wrap-around services, resources in the schools, and summer/after-school programming and; (2) greater community investment - focused on healthcare and housing."
Maybe your solutions would work but they aren't happening right now because the political will doesn't exist and I don't see that changing any time soon - particularly in the South where educational educational outcomes are are so critical to upward mobility. So what do we do in the interim? Just accept the schools that exist in their current form? Frankly I'm happy with bussing to give kids a choice or economically integrate schools but the political will for that doesn't exist either.
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First thing that comes to mind is Newark, NJ. You are going to tell me that there are alternative schools and magnet schools at the high school level. Sure. But what does a parent do for the first 9 years of their child's education for school alternatives if their neighborhood school is not working for their kids?
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this...too many local municipalities are complacent with low-middle income neighborhoods/cities being relegated to perpetually shytty public schools while only those in affluent areas get to flourish. the US also prefers to maintain the systemic disadvantages of the underclasses - when someone shows you who they are...and local governments have shown they're not into fixing this issue, so there need to be some attempts at other free options. sure some charter schools are crap or grift or gaming the system by only taking high aptitude kids, but a few are actually improving lives (either providing strong academics or helping kids succeed and be prepared in other aspects of life/readying them for vocations).