Jadakiss: Jay-Z has surpassed Biggie

[Street Knowledge]

Biggie the person and artist was in another league. Almost all of Ready to Die is instantly recognizable and quotable. His voice and flow were only his. Jay carefully calculated his image and style based on what was hot at the time. This is not just about rhymes. Biggie was too original and magnetic to be even compared to Jay.

How was biggie “original” but not Jay? What new did biggie bring to the table?

Reasonable doubt, Volume 2, The Blueprint and The Black album are heavily sampled and quoted within the rap community so I have no idea wtf you are talking about.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I've heard better Jay-z songs than this

There’s like 5 Jay Z songs from that year alone that clear Last Day

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

It's hard when one person has 10-15 albums and the other has two


But flow wise, something I noticed that Biggie and Meth do (changing flows 100 times in one verse), Jay can't do that. I get what Clark Kent was saying. Jay is the more lyrical rapper. But Biggie is the best flower of all time


Everything after Big's death tho, Jay of course got it. But when they was both alive, we all know who the King was

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

How was biggie “original” but not Jay? What new did biggie bring to the table?

Reasonable doubt, Volume 2, The Blueprint and The Black album are heavily sampled and quoted within the rap community so I have no idea wtf you are talking about.

He literally did everything Jay did, before he did it... fukk you mean

 

[boogers]

jay-z will never surpass biggie because biggie is dead and he died a legend

jay just seems like a boring rich guy now. 4:44 was a great album but he hasnt really done it for me since American Gangster

why does it matter? Nas will never surpass biggie either

biggie never made Ghetto Techno or Secret Agent Man

biggie never quoted Austin Powers

biggie was so awesome that people still defend puff. theyre not defending No Way Out, man

i wanted to end this post with some cool shyt like "the king of hiphop is dead and his body rests in brooklyn " but biggies ashes got split up into a few jars

 

[BaRRyG]

I wouldn't argue with anyone that thinks this way but I don't think even Jay at his peak was better than Big. And that's no knock on Jay but Big was just that great

Big said Jay was better than him

 

[Street Knowledge]

He literally did everything Jay did, before he did it... fukk you mean

What was original about biggie?


What new ground did he cover? Subject matter? Flow? Wordplay? Concepts?

 

[Knicksman20]

Big said Jay was better than him

There was a vid Cease a page back where Big told him he was nicer than Jay so it is what it is

 

[Geechiedan214]

Pac, Nas & BIG -- They are the standard!​

Face is definitely amongst those 3 i would put him before Jay....just go peep his tiny desk he always been different

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

What was original about biggie?


What new ground did he cover? Subject matter? Flow? Wordplay? Concepts?

Nobody said Biggie was a pioneer... I said he did it before Jay did it.

Neither one of them nikkas did some shyt FIRST... it was mid 90s lol. Everybody already did everything.


But everything Jay-Z has done, besides corporate shyt, Biggie did prior to 1998

 

[TheNig]

He’s lived longer enough, but Big set the precedent. He’s still what opened the door for Jay, that’s why he brings him up in his lyrics so much.

Hov wouldn't deny this.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Nobody said Biggie was a pioneer... I said he did it before Jay did it.

Neither one of them nikkas did some shyt FIRST... it was mid 90s lol. Everybody already did everything.


But everything Jay-Z has done, besides corporate shyt, Biggie did prior to 1998

The person I quoted claimed Biggie was an “original”.

So there was nothing new that Biggie brought to the table so “originality” shouldn’t be used in an argument against Jay Z.

 

[FlyRy]

5 Jay-Z threads on the front page right now and he hasn't released an album in almost 8 years. That shows who the GOAT is

 

[NormanConnors]

Jay has too much garbage in his catalog, too much lifting off of big as well for this to be the case. Cats are selling themselves for the acceptance/recognition from this billionaire version of Jay.

 

[TripleAgent]

Even back then, Big was never considered the goat. I think because he died, people simply gave him the mantle and have been overrating him ever since. He routinely used prewritten songs in his freestyles. He was a dope writer, but he wasn't a better writer than Nas. He got washed in his beef against 2Pac, and had he not got killed, Life After Death wasn't fukking with Makiaveli. Rap was just a hustle to Big. He said it himself. He was basically setting up himself to leave Bad Boy, start his own label and have his own artists. He probably would've put out one more album and that's it. Because of his accident, he wasn't going to be doing shows like talking about.

Put down the pipe

Y’all gotta let the past go man. Its ok to say you prefer one over the other but there’s no two album run that’s going to top hov’s discog and truth be told LAD isn’t the certified classic y’all think it is whole lot of filler on that. If he were still alive and had more music you would have a better case

It's not "filler". That's why LAD is so great. The commercial/radio/girl songs are some of the best commercial/radio/girl songs. We don't like them because we're not the target demographic, but I will bet my car there are 40 plus year old women that will start dancing and rapping along word for word if Another comes on. I've had this argument on here, the "filler" you're referring to has insane streaming numbers. People are listening to them.