Jadakiss: Jay-Z has surpassed Biggie

[zayk35]

I hate to say it but BIG dying at basically peak popularity due to the beef and being one of the hottest rappers at the time he died is what contributes to this GOAT shyt. We don't even know what happens to BIG, once Def Jam 2.0 comes into the picture in 98. If 50 Cent puts out GRODT in 03 and it does what it does, but then he gets gunned down and killed a few weeks before his 2nd album in 05 ppl would have him on the same level as Biggie maybe even higher be cause he was way more high profile than BIG ever was in his career, even during the Deathrow vs Bad Boy beef. Biggie has been overrated simply because he got killed during that time. Same with Pac to an extent in my opinion. While those 2 were alive there was always someone more popular and sold more records except for 96 Pac he was arguably the most popular rapper ever from Oct 95- September 96.

 

[bad_company]

Man who cares at this point ...

Jay got to bloom and prosper, Big's story was cut short.

The Yonkers legend surpassed more than a couple of drinks that night though : )

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

I hate to say it but BIG dying at basically peak popularity due to the beef and being one of the hottest rappers at the time he died is what contributes to this GOAT shyt. We don't even know what happens to BIG, once Def Jam 2.0 comes into the picture in 98. If 50 Cent puts out GRODT in 03 and it does what it does, but then he gets gunned down and killed a few weeks before his 2nd album in 05 ppl would have him on the same level as Biggie maybe even higher be cause he was way more high profile than BIG ever was in his career, even during the Deathrow vs Bad Boy beef. Biggie has been overrated simply because he got killed during that time. Same with Pac to an extent in my opinion. While those 2 were alive there was always someone more popular and sold more records except for 96 Pac he was arguably the most popular rapper ever from Oct 95- September 96.

The problem is, nobody ever said they was the best or the kings because of sales or popularity


They literally had the entire industry following their every move and word. They was the kings of their respective coasts. They had the entire country divided. And they made classic, timeless music at the ages of 18-25...


If 50 died, nobody was calling him the GOAT at the time. Biggie dying had Jay-Z about to title Vol 1. as "Heir to the Throne" cause even he knew Biggie was the King

 

[Cladyclad]

The problem is, nobody ever said they was the best or the kings because of sales or popularity


They literally had the entire industry following their every move and word. They was the kings of their respective coasts. They had the entire country divided. And they made classic, timeless music at the ages of 18-25...


If 50 died, nobody was calling him the GOAT at the time. Biggie dying had Jay-Z about to title Vol 1. as "Heir to the Throne" cause even he knew Biggie was the King

Reasonable Doubt was called that originally.

So jay felt a way with Big and Pac alive

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Reasonable Doubt was called that originally.

So jay felt a way with Big and Pac alive

What? In My Lifetime Vol 1. was originally called Heir to the Throne. There were ads for it in The Source AFTER big and pac died... That was 98

 

[Cladyclad]

What? In My Lifetime Vol 1. was originally called Heir to the Throne. There were ads for it in The Source AFTER big and pac died... That was 98

On June, 25, 1996, JAY-Z introduced himself to the world with the remarkable Reasonable Doubt.Released on Roc-A-Fella Records and originally titled Heir to the Throne, JAY-Z made news upon its arrival with the announcement that he was only planning to make one album.

Both a commercial and critical success, Reasonable Doubt is among a handful of albums considered by critics and fans to hold “classic” status.

Producers on the album include DJ Premier, Ski Beatz, The Hitmen & Knobody, Clark Kent, Peter Panic, and Irv Gotti with guest artist appearances by The Notorious B.I.G., Mary J. Blige, Foxy Brown, Memphis Bleek, Jaz-O, Sauce Money, and Mecca.

 

[zayk35]

The problem is, nobody ever said they was the best or the kings because of sales or popularity


They literally had the entire industry following their every move and word. They was the kings of their respective coasts. They had the entire country divided. And they made classic, timeless music at the ages of 18-25...


If 50 died, nobody was calling him the GOAT at the time. Biggie dying had Jay-Z about to title Vol 1. as "Heir to the Throne" cause even he knew Biggie was the King

Look how ppl from NYC regard Big L. He's called a legend and not too many ppl outside of NYC ever heard of him at the time of his death.

 

[Cladyclad]

Look how ppl from NYC regard Big L. He's called a legend and not too many ppl outside of NYC ever heard of him at the time of his death.

Man if 50 died after selling 8 million with Get Rich

I can imagine the type of shyt we would here

Man 50 would sold 5 million first week

that next album would have been Makaveli on steriods

Jay had him killed


50 would easily be considered the Goat by way more if he died in 2003


2pac nor Biggie put up 50 numbers or had a run like his while alive

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

"He's got more years on earth"

"He used that energy that he got from his brother to surpass him"

 

[King Poetic]

Passed big with the Blueprint album

But honestly if Big was able to live say another 10 years and 2 more albums Big would have been the Greatest of All time..

especially with easy mo bee and chucky Thompson production

 

[Awesome Wells]

Jay does not have a LAD level master piece.

So NO.

Jay wans't better than BIG when BIG was alive, after BIG died, Jay 'dumb it down', so when did he surpass him?

All this right here.

You can't surpass a dude, if you don’t have masterpieces on the level of his.

 

[Cladyclad]

All this right here.

You can't surpass a dude, if you don’t have masterpieces on the level of his.

That’s a very flawed argument

because many think Doggystyle the greatest album ever

and we see how snoop career played out

 

[zayk35]

Man if 50 died after selling 8 million with Get Rich

I can imagine the type of shyt we would here

Man 50 would sold 5 million first week

that next album would have been Makaveli on steriods

Jay had him killed


50 would easily be considered the Goat by way more if he died in 2003


2pac nor Biggie put up 50 numbers or had a run like his while alive

I don't understand why dudes can't see that.

 

[Awesome Wells]

That’s a very flawed argument

because many think Doggystyle the greatest album ever

and we see how snoop career played out

I don’t know anybody who thinks Doggystyle is the GOAT album, but okay, lol.

Point is, we're talking lyricists. Jay ain't been on B.I.G. level, ever. And Jay's one of my favorite MC's. But dude wasn't operating on BIG's level. Ready to Die and Life After Death are two masterpieces both created by a dude who hadn't even turned 25 yet. Jay still hasn't made anything that can see those two albums. B.I.G. is the GOAT, bro.

 

[Cladyclad]

I don’t know anybody who thinks Doggystyle is the GOAT album, but okay, lol.

Point is, we're talking lyricists. Jay ain't been on B.I.G. level, ever. And Jay's one of my favorite MC's. But dude wasn't operating on BIG's level. Ready to Die and Life After Death are two masterpieces both created by a dude who hadn't even turned 25 yet. Jay still hasn't made anything that can see those two albums. B.I.G. is the GOAT, bro.