Playaz Eyez
Veteran
I take back what i said. It's a classic R&B album with some rap on it
Its crazy how there's only 1 universally accepted classic album from a female rapper,
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Dudes dismissing the album as R&B are basically saying Hip-hop is suppsed to b one sided.
Dudes were suppsed to acknowledge it as hip-hop & R&B or alternative not just R&B that doesn't even make sense.
But they are fools. Hell the damn lable itself Ruffhouse was promoting it as hip-hop so who am i gonna believe ?
For the most part the majority acknowledged so I proved my point.
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
"There’s always a void when it comes to the female MC world, and she went beyond that. It checked me as an MC because she was pure. There was no chains, no fancy cars, she checked us on all of that. On songs like “Superstar” and “Lost Ones” and “Doo Wop,” she talked to us, she went into who we were as men and women."--- Nas
Read More: Nas Reviews Lauryn Hill’s ‘The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill’ – XXL Issue 150 - XXL | Nas Reviews Lauryn Hill’s ‘The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill’ – XXL Issue 150 - XXL
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
1. So Nas here is indirectly saying that we have Lauryn Hill to thank for Nastradamus, which was his next album
after Miseducation. Gee thanks, Lauryn.
1b. ...wait a minute, "You Owe Me" is on that album. lol
Nas just be sayin' chit.
2. Nas doesn't even call her a rapper here - he says she went "beyond that". Others said this also.
1. Why do you think Nas said the album checked him? He wasn't saying that just to say it. Nas indeed went beyond flossing especially when you listen to the albums he made post Nastradamus.
2. Read the entire article:
"The album cover is her face scratched into the desk and she’s wearing dreadlocks, and she’s proud of who she is, and today I don’t see enough black women—there are lots of proud black women—but there’s so many that don’t really tap into their natural beauty. She tapped into hers and rapped about it. We were like, yo, this girl, we’re about to embark on a journey with this young woman, and we’re just gonna allow her to take us anywhere we want to go.
3. And of course she went beyond just being a rapper or an MC because she also sang. Is she supposed to be disqualified as an MC because she sang? Is it any less of a Hip Hop album because she sang on even the songs with rap verses and it contains full blown R&B records? It seems like she's being penalized here for not fitting into a box and she's not the only Hip Hop artist to do that.
Yes.
Hip hop is very open and accepting. Way too open and accepting, but that's another thread. But there has to be some basic definitional characteristics. Rapping is an obvious one. If a sizable chunk of your album is R&B, then that means it's status as a hip hop album is gonna come under question.
What bearing does Lauryn's album have to do with Hip Hop being open and accepting? That type of music had it's place in Hip Hop before Lauryn ever recorded Miseducation. I would better understand it, if she had a few rap bars on it and the rest was R&B, but it's album where most of the songs have rap verses. I'd much rather Hip Hop had more albums where there was dope rapping and singing throughout 13 songs than a 20 song album with rapping throughout, but it's wack.
People once said Hip Hop wasn't music because it didn't fit inside some nice box or category. Does that mean that Hip Hop isn't music because it doesn't adhere to some basic definitional characteristics of what some people consider music?
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Flywin Lannister
Superstar
I thought you were going to say 'Funkdafied'.
Personally, I consider Lauryn Hill's debut (while amazing) more a fusion of Hip-Hop (rap) and soul. When you say rap classic, I think Doggystyle, Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, 36 Chambers, Get Rich or Die Tryin',
Personally, I consider Lauryn Hill's debut (while amazing) more a fusion of Hip-Hop (rap) and soul. When you say rap classic, I think Doggystyle, Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, 36 Chambers, Get Rich or Die Tryin',
Most never even paid attention to the thread title.
The album is a universally accepted classic album from a 'female rapper'
U can call it R&B or hip-hop , regardless , its the 1 universally accepted classic album from a 'female rapper'
I'm making the point that although hip hop has always been expansive, obviously there has to be some lines in the sand. Garth Brooks ain't hip hop.
I'm not that familiar with the album...never liked her or the Fugees. Can someone give us a breakdown of how many songs had rapping? How many were straight singing? And how many were straight rapping?
I'd rather every album sounded like The Infamous or Hell on Earth.
This is a deflection from the issue at hand. So because some people once didn't (and probably still don't) consider hip hop music, everything is hip hop?
This is true. Thread title is clearly accurate. But it was also foreseeable that the issue of how to classify the album would come up.
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
I don't know why Nas says a lot of what he says.
No.
Here's the rub - are we talmbat "Hip-Hop", or "Rap"?
Miseducation is barely a rap album. I cannot in good conscience group it in with albums where females was there just to spit.
As for the title of this thread, people (fans and other rappers) say they don't consider Lauryn a "rapper".