Its crazy how there's only 1 universally accepted classic album from a female rapper,

[Taadow]

My use of those articles is to prove that Lauryn Hill being an MC is a widely held opinion vs. the handful of people that disagree in this thread.

What of those outside this thread who disagree?

Like Trina?

Or Sean Price?

They don't exist?

 

[JustCKing]

What of those outside this thread who disagree?

Like Trina?

Or Sean Price?

They don't exist?

Didn't say they didn't exist. What I'm saying is that it's an opinion not as widely held as Lauryn being an MC.

 

[Ron Fox]

Didn't say they didn't exist. What I'm saying is that it's an opinion not as widely held as Lauryn being an MC.

Exactly.

Dude is just being petty stressing an unpopular opinion for 5 whole pages

 

[SunZoo]

Number of songs on album: 13 excluding the intro

Number of songs with with singing and rapping: Five ("Doo Wop" *2 rap verses with a sang hook and bridge*, "Lost Ones" *2 verses with a sang hook and bridge*, "Superstar" *1 rap verse, sang hook and two sang verses*, "Everything Is Everything" *1 rap verse*, "Forgive Them Father" *1 rap verse*)

Number of songs where she just spits: One

Number of songs where she just sings: Seven

Doo Wop and Lost Ones I would consider straight up hip hop songs. So that makes three.
If there's a sung verse is my line in the sand.
That breakdown is why I've always thought of the album as a "hybrid".

I guess we need a Fergie - The Dutchess appreciation thread then

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Not a straight hip hop album though so holds no weight.
What about Latifah's first one?

Doesnt matter
Hip Hop is know for being different

The Chronic is funk
The Low End Theory is Jazz

Those are both Top Tier classics

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

Y'all acting like she wasn't spitting with the Fugees
Or that TMOLH didn't have rapping on it

 

[SunZoo]

Because for the OP to talk about something being "universally accepted", that implies that there is a general opinion of that particular something...
and in this case, he doesn't take into consideration the fact that there is a general opinion that Lauryn Hill is not considered by many to be a rapper.

It is a fact that that opinion exists, even if I don't share it.

You could technically call female Fergie a rapper, doesn't mean she could drop an album with "very little rap" on it and somehow get her album thrown into the conversation with actual rap albums, even if the album was dope (her's was) and featured some rapping, it wouldn't be discussed along side The Infamous

That's the asinine part to me, notice my first reply in this bytch was really confusion. Not because I never heard the album (I bought it, wore it the fukk out), not because I don't acknowledge that L-Boogie raps, but because the album itself is not really a rap album, even if it was made by someone who raps (ala 808's and heartbreak)

Picking her as the lone example of a female rapper to make a rap album that could compete with the male classics of the genre when she mostly sang on it is not fair to the other female Emcees IMO. It also serves to skirt around the point that the reason why you don't hear these other actual rap albums being nominated is because Hip Hop has always been akin to a sport...and just like in sports men and women are going to be judged and compared separately.

Is that sexist? Fair? Does it indicate innate lack of ability or bias? All those are much more interesting to ponder than the dumb shyt some of these nikkas are kicking in here.

 

[SunZoo]

Doesnt matter
Hip Hop is know for being different

The Chronic is funk
The Low End Theory is Jazz

Those are both Top Tier classics

How in the fukk doesn't it matter?

Those are top tier classics that feature rappers rapping the majority, if not damn near the entire gotdamn time.

You are talking about production homie, if the majority of the album is NOT rap, it's not a RAP album and shouldn't be compared to other rap albums. Look at an album like 808's and heartbreak...

This is not hip-hop music. Taking a sample, looping it and doing all that 'throw your hands up in the sky’ thing has become such a cliché. Hip-hop is over for me. I sing, not rap, on this album. - Kante West.

At least he was self aware enough to put it out there before his stans started comparing it to Stillmatic just because it was a "classic".

Y'all acting like she wasn't spitting with the Fugees
Or that TMOLH didn't have rapping on it

It had "very little rapping" according to the source which didn't even rate it as a rap album even while giving it praise. One song in total that was an actual straight up rap song.

This is why some people have to correct nikkas when they start falling for the okey doke the record industry tried to pull conflating the two genres to tap into the rap market, it ended up being to the detriment of both...it's why you got a lot of R&B singers cursing more than the rappers, trying to live and look like rap nikkas while crooning while "real" R&B music/singers are being relegated to sub-genres like neo-soul and other bullshyt because they stay in their lane which is damn near non existent now.

I don't fukk with that, never have.

 

[Taadow]

You could technically call female Fergie a rapper, doesn't mean she could drop an album with "very little rap" on it and somehow get her album thrown into the conversation with actual rap albums, even if the album was dope (he's was) and featured some rapping, it wouldn't be discussed along side The Infamous

That's the asinine part to me, notice my first reply in this bytch was really confusion. Not because I never heard the album (I bought it, wore it the fukk out), not because I don't acknowledge that L-Boogie raps, but because the album itself is not really a rap album, even if it was made by someone who raps (ala 808's and heartbreak)

Picking her as the lone example of a female rapper to make a rap album that could compete with the male classics of the genre when she mostly sang on it is not fair to the other female Emcees IMO. It also serves to skirt around the point that the reason why you don't hear these other actual rap albums being nominated is because Hip Hop has always been akin to a sport...and just like in sports men and women are going to be judged and compared separately.

Is that sexist? Fair? Does it indicate innate lack of ability or bias? All those are much more interesting to ponder than the dumb shyt some of these nikkas are kicking in here.

Basically.

 

[smokeurobinson]

the dumb shyt some of these nikkas are kicking in here.

This stood out the most.

Remember what i said about how back in the day corny whiteboys couldn't just enter a conversation started by a big Blackman and talk reckless yet in this current social media era corny whiteboys can now do so from the safety of their pc's?

Wow, just wow. You sure have some e-balls on you.

Basically.

Whiteboy says nikka and you cosigned ?

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

How in the fukk doesn't it matter?

Those are top tier classics that feature rappers rapping the majority, if not damn near the entire gotdamn time.

You are talking about production homie, if the majority of the album is NOT rap, it's not a RAP album and shouldn't be compared to other rap albums. Look at an album like 808's and heartbreak...


At least he was self aware enough to put it out there before his stans started comparing it to Stillmatic just because it was a "classic".



It had "very little rapping" according to the source which didn't even rate it as a rap album even while giving it praise. One song in total that was an actual straight up rap song.

This is why some people have to correct nikkas when they start falling for the okey doke the record industry tried to pull conflating the two genres to tap into the rap market, it ended up being to the detriment of both...it's why you got a lot of R&B singers cursing more than the rappers, trying to live and look like rap nikkas while crooning while "real" R&B music/singers are being relegated to sub-genres like neo-soul and other bullshyt because they stay in their lane which is damn near non existent now.

I don't fukk with that, never have.

She sings and raps
I grew up in Lauryn Hill nikka I've listened to all her shyt a million times
She not always singing and she raps a lot
Not as much as most rappers but thats cause most rappers can't sing

 

[SunZoo]

This stood out the most.

Remember what i said about how back in the day corny whiteboys couldn't just enter a conversation started by a big Blackman and talk reckless yet in this current social media era corny whiteboys can now do so from the safety of their pc's?

Wow, just wow. You sure have some e-balls on you.

1. I'm not white. And that part stood out to you because you don't really have a rebuttal.



2. You ain't the only one saying dumb shyt. Saying it doesn't matter how much rap is on an album when comparing it to other rap albums is dumb shyt. And I fukk with dude majority of the time.

 

[Taadow]

Didn't say they didn't exist. What I'm saying is that it's an opinion not as widely held as Lauryn being an MC.

How do you know it's not "an opinion as widely held"?

 

[Taadow]

Whiteboy says nikka and you cosigned ?

He ain't white...

Now back on topic:

You consider these albums rap albums?

Bush
The Love Below
808s & Heartbreaks

 

[smokeurobinson]

1. I'm not white. And that part stood out to you because you don't really have a rebuttal.



2. You ain't the only one saying dumb shyt. Saying it doesn't matter how much rap is on an album when comparing it to other rap albums is dumb shyt. And I fukk with dude majority of the time.

I can stand corrected. My bad.

Coulda sworn u indicated u were white in an old thread. Read the old thread again and saw i was off.

U should have corrected me when i 1st made the accusation . IBeen thought u was white


But you still corny