It's about to be 2021, can we all agree Jay is the greatest?
Yeah, he had a distribution deal. The album was independently marketed through a street team.
To put this in perspective. Master P dropped Ice Cream Man the same year Jay dropped Reasonable Doubt. Both albums were distributed by Priority. Both albums did the same numbers. The difference is Master P didn't have a single that was tied into a major movie. Jay Z had "Ain't No" featuring Foxy Brown (one of the hottest artists of that summer) that was on the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Huge movie.
I have Nas and Jay 1 and 2. No quarrel with anyone putting Jay #1 though
i don’t think anyone has an issue either way
I think it’s when either side says “it’s not up for debate”
There's no definitive answer in something opinion based...but Jay-z is probably the easiest rapper to argue for being the greatest. If nobody found out Drake had a factory full of ghostwriters I think he'd probably be getting a lot of consideration too at this point, not to me but to the masses.
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Pass me the rock nikka
Jay did 426,000 and X did 439,000 first week. Jay's album was released 9/11 it was just a thought.
If you're talking overall then Jay had the highest selling album of 2001. He outsold X overall and it was the best album of the year.
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Jay did 426,000 and X did 439,000 first week. Jay's album was released 9/11 it was just a thought.
If you're talking overall then Jay had the highest selling album of 2001. He outsold X overall and it was the best album of the year.
Commercially, Ludacris>>>> Jay Z, X, and Ja in 2001. Ludacris' Word of Mouf sold nearly 4 million copies. Then there's Back For The First Time, which did 3 million.
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SplizThaDon
This post is how I know u wasn’t around or was WAY too young to pay attention. Lol. Jay did NOT have the highest selling album that year. As a matter of fact I don’t think outside of Vol 2 Jay had a highest selling album of the year in any year in his prime. Jay is just consistent.Jay did 426,000 and X did 439,000 first week. Jay's album was released 9/11 it was just a thought.
If you're talking overall then Jay had the highest selling album of 2001. He outsold X overall and it was the best album of the year.
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SplizThaDon
If we ain’t talking about bullshyt that don’t got nothing to do with music. Than Pac is the easiest.
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SplizThaDon
That’s because he’s too young to be talkin about what he talkin about. Lol. nikka got a lot of this information on some retrospect shyt and prolly thru documentaries and word of mouth. But what he don’t realize is a lot of history rewriting has happen for Jay in retrospect. shyt even with Vol.2. DMX killed him on his own fukking tour. Lol. I was there. I was at the show. Most nikkas I knew MAIN reason for being there was X. Jay was second.
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SplizThaDon
Thank Ski for that. And yea RD is my fav Jay album. But it ain’t age better than everything back then. That’s just u liking the way prime Jay sounds on tracks more than anything. Lol. nikka that album didn’t age better than All Eyez On Me or Makaveli or The Score or alotta shyt that dropped in 96. U buggin out. Lol. It aged well but this is just a case of u loving some prime Jay. shyt I was just having a convo with some nikkas the other day about what Jay’s best album and only one of em said RD. The rest said The Blueprint. And I don’t agree with that AT ALL. But it is what it is. And I didn’t say NOONE gave a fukk about Jay at all. But dude was visible from state to state shyt Illmatic was more local than RD. But Illmatic was looked at among hip hop circles as a MUCH bigger deal. RD wasnt. That’s what I’m trying to tell u. That album made NO impact on the game. It sold a few records. It was considered dope. But that’s it. Illmatic had an impact on Nas’ hip hop peers when it dropped. RD sonically and thematically wasn’t a big break away from what artists was already doing for a couple years leading up to it.
Y’all act Jay was delivered from a stork or some shyt in 98’ lol
Convicts Talk About Why Jay Z's 'Reasonable Doubt' Is Still Every Hustler's Favorite Album
Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt turns 20 today and, in retrospect, its release in 1996 was exactly what East Coast hip-hop needed. Filled with vivid storytelling of street hustling, drug trafficking, and Brooklyn bravado in both its lyrics and skits, Hova's debut studio album brought kingpin tall tales to popular culture without sacrificing any authenticity in its portrait of the criminal underworld.
The theme of the record plays on movie scenes from Scarface and The Godfather, but also explores Jay Z's own forays in crime, which he officially left behind while recording the record. "I had been trying to hold on to two branches and I said, 'I'm going to put my all into the music, to make a legitimate life for myself,'" the icon told The Guardian in 2010. "I never turned back."
But even though he stopped selling drugs and living the street life after his debut, Jay never stopped hustling. Instead of signing to a major label, he started Roc-a-Fella Records with Dame Dash to release Reasonable Doubt, the type of entrepreneurial masterstroke that he'd repeat again and again over the next two decades. His business may have become legitimate, but Jay's do it yourself or no one will do it for youattitude paralleled the same stuff his was rapped about.
On Reasonable Doubt's 20th anniversary, we talked to the men who took Jay Z's words to heart, the gangsters and drug dealers who were living the life that Jay Z rhymed about. To them, this music was more than entertainment, it was their reality accurately depicted and shared on a global scale, set over DJ Premiere beats. To pay homage to the hip-hop classic, we spoke to a variety of prisoners who were incarcerated for some of the same crimes Hova detailed on his debut. We asked them to reminisce on the album's importance, and give us their take on why Jay Z is still your drug dealer's favorite rapper.
Walter "King Tut" Johnson
52-Years-Old from Cypress Hill Projects, Brooklyn
Serving a Life Sentence at FCI Otisville in New York for a Federal Three Strikes Law Conviction
Jay Z did his homework when he put Reasonable Doubt together. Jigga reached deep down into the core of his soul and pulled out the recordings of his life. He ingeniously described the people, places, and things that transformed him into the "Holy Grail" of the hood. He is the Sun Tzu of Brooklyn. He set out to confirm the value of his existence through music. The album was a dedication to those who questioned their own potential or allowed themselves to be trapped by the designs of life.
The record captivated the minds of its audience in the same manner that The Godfather and Scarface did. Once it touched your life, it left an indelible scar. Jay Z understood that there was a vicious dynamic being set in motion, and for him to truly enjoy the spoils of war, he would have to become invincible to the repercussions of the game. Jay Z understood that the world was large enough for those who play fair to play the game for real. He left those with small minds to the streets because they refused to use their creativity to expand and venture upon legitimate sources. He borrowed Machiavelli's mindset in The Prince: "A prince must be a lion to chase away wolves, but also be a fox to escape traps."
Jay Z wanted men to own their manhood and be able to envision themselves being owners and caretakers of their own lives, businesses, and properties. He wanted us to be prudent businessmen, instead of allowing other businessmen to profit off of our misery. To street dudes, Jay Z is the comrade that made it out of the game, and sacrificed everything just to dedicate a detailed description of how we can get out. In his music, he is giving us a map, keys, tools, and a path. Those who were true to the game recognize the gift that he has dedicated and pursue it with appreciation. Jay Z is the gatekeeper and through his lyrics, passion, love, and leadership we can rise above every disaster in our lives and find our true calling.
Andre Cooper
36-Years-Old from Chester, Pennsylvania
Serving Three Life Sentences at USP Hazelton in West Virginia for Racketeering, Drug Dealing, and Homicide Convictions
I'm making short-term goals when the weather folds/ just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold . Jigga's words were near and dear to me, as well as to all the young hustlers around the city. I was 16-years-old when Reasonable Doubt hit the scene and it just so happened to be the same time that I saw my first ten bands from pushing powder on the streets of Chester, Pennsylvania. 1996 was a crazy-but-memorable year. I say a memorable because we followed Jigga's lyrics to a T. I was trying to live what he was rapping about. But unfortunately, this would also be the same year that would mark the beginning of my 44-count federal racketeering indictment where the government said I agreed to form a cocaine enterprise with a few other 16-year-olds.
Before I got arrested, I was living it—from the drug dealing, the pistol action, partying, knocking down all the sexy young girls, to all the other aspects of a young rich nikka life. But I wanted to do it better since Jigga was showing us how to do it on an epic level. He kept us young hustlers and gangsters on our toes. When Jigga rapped about something, you knew it was official. So you either had to do it, or you made it your goal to acquire the money in order to cop it.
By me starting so young in the underworld, at the age of 14, and trying to live up to the likes of Jay Z, I got caught up in the streets. Which, eventually led me to where I sit today in a federal maximum-security prison with three life sentences. As the 20th anniversary of Reasonable Doubt comes up, I'll remember the great inspiration that Jigga gave me, but it's also a reminder of my downfall. I guess the album was sort of like a gift to Jigga, and a curse to the young gangsters from the slums who didn't do it right like he did.
"He brought the crack game to the rap game, and all the hustlers, street dudes, and gangsters was feeling what he said…"
Arthur "Plex" Pless
43-Years-Old from Miami, Florida
Serving a Life Sentence at USP Coleman II in Florida for a Drug Trafficking Conviction
I was hustling up in Jacksonville, Florida when I first heard Reasonable Doubt . I had these two hoes with me, we were in a rental van headed up to Georgia to pick up some bread, and one of the chicks put it in and cued it to "Ain't No nikka." I loved the groove, the lyrics were witty and tight, but I didn't really react to the song until Foxy came on. I was like, "Who is that?" The two chicks were like, "Jay Z."
When we got back to Jacksonville I ended up stealing the bytches' CD. I took it to the trap, and me and a couple of my partners vibed to it. Some of the homies were like, "Man, if you don't take that bullshyt out!" They weren't giving it a chance because Jay had that NY flow and the production was East Coast, but I kept pumping it, and pretty soon other nikka's started pumping it. Reason being, we were just figuring out that dude was "real."
Jay Z was the drug dealers' rapper. His lyrics embodied everything that nikkas in the game aspired to be, like in the song "Never Change":
Lost 92 bricks had to fall back/knocked a nikka off his feet/had to crawl back…Had A1 credit got more crack/From the 1st to the 15th gave it all back/If I'm not a hustler what you call that?
shyt like that speaks to the heart of street nikkas because if you've really been in the streets, you know it ain't all gravy. nikka's gonna take some losses, but you have to "crawl back." I don't know Jay, but I know the game. I lost my life to it. So I know he's either lived it or has been really close to it, because his numbers and accounts all add up.
John "Shakim Bio" Edwards
46-Years-Old from Jamaica, Queens, New York
Serving a Life Sentence at Mansfield Correctional Institution in Ohio for Aggravated Murder, Drug Trafficking, and Felony Assault Convictions
In the early 90s, I was knee deep in the streets, so my insight into Reasonable Doubtis different than most. At this point, Kool G Rap had the East Coast gangster rap on smash when it came to talking about the real street shyt. You had other rappers who spoke on street shyt too, but there was no real hustling rapper talking that talk until Jay Z got the East Coast, mainly New York, in a chokehold. The Reasonable Doubt LP changed the game.
Jay Z was coming from a hustler's point of view. He was painting pictures with words and nikka's in the streets had never heard it so raw like that. I heard Jay Z live on the radio doing an interview. When he spat a freestyle, I was convinced he was the shyt. Biggie was the King of New York, but Jay Z was knocking on the door with that heat. I got to hear a few more joints like "Ain't No N igga" featuring Foxy Brown and "Can I Live," but when I heard "Can't Knock the Hustle" and got to see the Hype Williams video for it, I was hooked. Jay was spitting the street shyt that hustlers knew and lived for.
I knew Jay was either right there in the mix or around those who played that game. In other words, he brought the crack game to the rap game, and all the hustlers, street dudes, and gangsters was feeling what he said and cosigned the lyrical content. It was authentic. I got almost every song he made that's available [to me in prison]—Jay Z's that dude.
Convicts Talk About Why Jay Z's 'Reasonable Doubt' Is Still Every Hustler's Favorite Album
Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt turns 20 today and, in retrospect, its release in 1996 was exactly what East Coast hip-hop needed. Filled with vivid storytelling of street hustling, drug trafficking, and Brooklyn bravado in both its lyrics and skits, Hova's debut studio album brought kingpin tall tales to popular culture without sacrificing any authenticity in its portrait of the criminal underworld.
The theme of the record plays on movie scenes from Scarface and The Godfather, but also explores Jay Z's own forays in crime, which he officially left behind while recording the record. "I had been trying to hold on to two branches and I said, 'I'm going to put my all into the music, to make a legitimate life for myself,'" the icon told The Guardian in 2010. "I never turned back."
But even though he stopped selling drugs and living the street life after his debut, Jay never stopped hustling. Instead of signing to a major label, he started Roc-a-Fella Records with Dame Dash to release Reasonable Doubt, the type of entrepreneurial masterstroke that he'd repeat again and again over the next two decades. His business may have become legitimate, but Jay's do it yourself or no one will do it for youattitude paralleled the same stuff his was rapped about.
On Reasonable Doubt's 20th anniversary, we talked to the men who took Jay Z's words to heart, the gangsters and drug dealers who were living the life that Jay Z rhymed about. To them, this music was more than entertainment, it was their reality accurately depicted and shared on a global scale, set over DJ Premiere beats. To pay homage to the hip-hop classic, we spoke to a variety of prisoners who were incarcerated for some of the same crimes Hova detailed on his debut. We asked them to reminisce on the album's importance, and give us their take on why Jay Z is still your drug dealer's favorite rapper.
Walter "King Tut" Johnson
52-Years-Old from Cypress Hill Projects, Brooklyn
Serving a Life Sentence at FCI Otisville in New York for a Federal Three Strikes Law Conviction
Jay Z did his homework when he put Reasonable Doubt together. Jigga reached deep down into the core of his soul and pulled out the recordings of his life. He ingeniously described the people, places, and things that transformed him into the "Holy Grail" of the hood. He is the Sun Tzu of Brooklyn. He set out to confirm the value of his existence through music. The album was a dedication to those who questioned their own potential or allowed themselves to be trapped by the designs of life.
The record captivated the minds of its audience in the same manner that The Godfather and Scarface did. Once it touched your life, it left an indelible scar. Jay Z understood that there was a vicious dynamic being set in motion, and for him to truly enjoy the spoils of war, he would have to become invincible to the repercussions of the game. Jay Z understood that the world was large enough for those who play fair to play the game for real. He left those with small minds to the streets because they refused to use their creativity to expand and venture upon legitimate sources. He borrowed Machiavelli's mindset in The Prince: "A prince must be a lion to chase away wolves, but also be a fox to escape traps."
Jay Z wanted men to own their manhood and be able to envision themselves being owners and caretakers of their own lives, businesses, and properties. He wanted us to be prudent businessmen, instead of allowing other businessmen to profit off of our misery. To street dudes, Jay Z is the comrade that made it out of the game, and sacrificed everything just to dedicate a detailed description of how we can get out. In his music, he is giving us a map, keys, tools, and a path. Those who were true to the game recognize the gift that he has dedicated and pursue it with appreciation. Jay Z is the gatekeeper and through his lyrics, passion, love, and leadership we can rise above every disaster in our lives and find our true calling.
Andre Cooper
36-Years-Old from Chester, Pennsylvania
Serving Three Life Sentences at USP Hazelton in West Virginia for Racketeering, Drug Dealing, and Homicide Convictions
I'm making short-term goals when the weather folds/ just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold . Jigga's words were near and dear to me, as well as to all the young hustlers around the city. I was 16-years-old when Reasonable Doubt hit the scene and it just so happened to be the same time that I saw my first ten bands from pushing powder on the streets of Chester, Pennsylvania. 1996 was a crazy-but-memorable year. I say a memorable because we followed Jigga's lyrics to a T. I was trying to live what he was rapping about. But unfortunately, this would also be the same year that would mark the beginning of my 44-count federal racketeering indictment where the government said I agreed to form a cocaine enterprise with a few other 16-year-olds.
Before I got arrested, I was living it—from the drug dealing, the pistol action, partying, knocking down all the sexy young girls, to all the other aspects of a young rich nikka life. But I wanted to do it better since Jigga was showing us how to do it on an epic level. He kept us young hustlers and gangsters on our toes. When Jigga rapped about something, you knew it was official. So you either had to do it, or you made it your goal to acquire the money in order to cop it.
By me starting so young in the underworld, at the age of 14, and trying to live up to the likes of Jay Z, I got caught up in the streets. Which, eventually led me to where I sit today in a federal maximum-security prison with three life sentences. As the 20th anniversary of Reasonable Doubt comes up, I'll remember the great inspiration that Jigga gave me, but it's also a reminder of my downfall. I guess the album was sort of like a gift to Jigga, and a curse to the young gangsters from the slums who didn't do it right like he did.
"He brought the crack game to the rap game, and all the hustlers, street dudes, and gangsters was feeling what he said…"
Arthur "Plex" Pless
43-Years-Old from Miami, Florida
Serving a Life Sentence at USP Coleman II in Florida for a Drug Trafficking Conviction
I was hustling up in Jacksonville, Florida when I first heard Reasonable Doubt . I had these two hoes with me, we were in a rental van headed up to Georgia to pick up some bread, and one of the chicks put it in and cued it to "Ain't No nikka." I loved the groove, the lyrics were witty and tight, but I didn't really react to the song until Foxy came on. I was like, "Who is that?" The two chicks were like, "Jay Z."
When we got back to Jacksonville I ended up stealing the bytches' CD. I took it to the trap, and me and a couple of my partners vibed to it. Some of the homies were like, "Man, if you don't take that bullshyt out!" They weren't giving it a chance because Jay had that NY flow and the production was East Coast, but I kept pumping it, and pretty soon other nikka's started pumping it. Reason being, we were just figuring out that dude was "real."
Jay Z was the drug dealers' rapper. His lyrics embodied everything that nikkas in the game aspired to be, like in the song "Never Change":
Lost 92 bricks had to fall back/knocked a nikka off his feet/had to crawl back…Had A1 credit got more crack/From the 1st to the 15th gave it all back/If I'm not a hustler what you call that?
shyt like that speaks to the heart of street nikkas because if you've really been in the streets, you know it ain't all gravy. nikka's gonna take some losses, but you have to "crawl back." I don't know Jay, but I know the game. I lost my life to it. So I know he's either lived it or has been really close to it, because his numbers and accounts all add up.
John "Shakim Bio" Edwards
46-Years-Old from Jamaica, Queens, New York
Serving a Life Sentence at Mansfield Correctional Institution in Ohio for Aggravated Murder, Drug Trafficking, and Felony Assault Convictions
In the early 90s, I was knee deep in the streets, so my insight into Reasonable Doubtis different than most. At this point, Kool G Rap had the East Coast gangster rap on smash when it came to talking about the real street shyt. You had other rappers who spoke on street shyt too, but there was no real hustling rapper talking that talk until Jay Z got the East Coast, mainly New York, in a chokehold. The Reasonable Doubt LP changed the game.
Jay Z was coming from a hustler's point of view. He was painting pictures with words and nikka's in the streets had never heard it so raw like that. I heard Jay Z live on the radio doing an interview. When he spat a freestyle, I was convinced he was the shyt. Biggie was the King of New York, but Jay Z was knocking on the door with that heat. I got to hear a few more joints like "Ain't No N igga" featuring Foxy Brown and "Can I Live," but when I heard "Can't Knock the Hustle" and got to see the Hype Williams video for it, I was hooked. Jay was spitting the street shyt that hustlers knew and lived for.
I knew Jay was either right there in the mix or around those who played that game. In other words, he brought the crack game to the rap game, and all the hustlers, street dudes, and gangsters was feeling what he said and cosigned the lyrical content. It was authentic. I got almost every song he made that's available [to me in prison]—Jay Z's that dude.
