It's a shame Marcus Garvey wasn't born in this generation

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Could someone tell me what did Marcus Garvey/Malcolm X do or really accomplish?

for example: MLK helped get us civil rights (something concrete
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I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I know what Garvey did, or even everything Malcollm X and others did....even though I should be more educated on the subject.

BUT, what I bolded of ur comment is pretty much the way they(whoever you want to call them) want us to see our history and want the world to see our history. Basically, "MLK did everything, nobody else matters", essentially

As a result, over time all the rest of these important figures are forgotten and they can control who is taught about. :manny:

The attainment of Civil Rights was a team effort, whether or not the other guys are fairly credited by the history that is being taught.

Black America is a lost cause breh.

We are the least competent nation within a falling empire...shyt is only going to get worst for everyone from here on out...but we are going to get it the worst.

Our race has been hurt by our lack of unity, pride, and aggression. Hopefully Africa pulls it together.

At the moment we are, but it's because we have no leadership or anything to look to for guidance.

We have a whole generation with the only models to look to for success are Jay Z, Rick Ross or Lebron James. Entertainers.

And success for us is tangibly seen as jewelry, cars, clothes......ie not saving our money, not investing, or looking into agriculture, or other streams of income.

The unfortunate part is it would take a generation or two of a strong leader or leaders who go in a different direction to really change things. This person would be called a "c00n" or a "sell out" initially and disregarded by a large number of us.
 

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my peeples, we should be thankful fo wat Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X,MLK Jr.,& Medgar Evers have done fo us:lawd:

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even though rich believes dat they should make May 19th known as Malcolm X Day cause just like MLK, Malcolm has done a lot of things to deserve a national holiday like MLK & dats da truth Ruth!
 

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Why did you feel the need to start looking up and posting pics of cross-dressers in this thread when it has nothing to do with the topic?

I typed in the word ratchet in Google and that phtograph best represented the worst element in our society that is extremely difficult to motivate toward the principles of individual this thread is about, friend. Did i offend you?
 

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People did all the things you're mentioning in the early 20th century... they are still just assumptions. I don't think there has been a single group or time in history in which general knowledge hasn't been mocked, and the society hasn't reveled in some kind of ignorance. That's just how societies operate.
You dont see the barriers that would block that kind of message, in America to a greater degree in 2013, friend? Do you think the minds of friends are ripe for this sort of change at this moment in time?
 

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I typed in the word ratchet in Google and that phtograph best represented the worst element in our society that is extremely difficult to motivate toward the principles of individual this thread is about, friend. Did i offend you?

You offended me by lying, friend. Typing ratchet in Google does not summon up images of cross-dressers. You found exactly what you wanted to find, friend. The only question is why.
 

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You offended me by lying, friend. Typing ratchet in Google does not summon up images of cross-dressers. You found exactly what you wanted to find, friend. The only question is why.

I typed ratchet women, now that i look in my history. I found the perfect image. I think you're getting a little carried away like stage divers.
 
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Its 2013 and any "leader" that tries to galvanize the public for the greater good, white or black, will be villified by the media and will have no platform to speak from


The black community in America just no longer has the culture to make the necessary sacrifices to turn things around.....
 

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Yeah they had beef because W.E.B felt as though he should of been the face of black America at the time. Typical Crabs in the barrell movement. He was very jealous of Garvey.

I'm no expert, but I thought Garvey and DuBoise had more substantive disagreements- in addition to personally disliking one another. Garvey was a nationalist, and DuBoise wasn't, for instance. This may or may not be personal, but I also got the sense DuBoise and the other "elite" Blacks didn't respect Garvey much as an intellectual.
 

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I'm no expert, but I thought Garvey and DuBoise had more substantive disagreements- in addition to personally disliking one another. Garvey was a nationalist, and DuBoise wasn't, for instance. This may or may not be personal, but I also got the sense DuBoise and the other "elite" Blacks didn't respect Garvey much as an intellectual.

The fact that two of the greatest and smartest black men who ever lived got into a stupid coli troll beef over skin complexions and appearances is pretty depressing though.
 
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I'm no expert, but I thought Garvey and DuBoise had more substantive disagreements- in addition to personally disliking one another. Garvey was a nationalist, and DuBoise wasn't, for instance. This may or may not be personal, but I also got the sense DuBoise and the other "elite" Blacks didn't respect Garvey much as an intellectual.

Nah. They didn't respect him nor George Washington Carver or Booker T Washington
 

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I'm no expert, but I thought Garvey and DuBoise had more substantive disagreements- in addition to personally disliking one another. Garvey was a nationalist, and DuBoise wasn't, for instance. This may or may not be personal, but I also got the sense DuBoise and the other "elite" Blacks didn't respect Garvey much as an intellectual.

All of this is more or less valid, although the intellectual thing isn't totally true, since Booker T. Washington and his sympathizers were as elite as it gets, and definitely crossed over strongly with Garvey's, though their goals and ideas weren't the same at all.

Garvey's nationalism wasn't just about Black unity, but an active "back to Africa" movement, which Du Bois didn't see as a viable or productive route, despite his own pan-Africanist views and visions of Black unity.

Garvey's willingness to work with the KKK was another major factor, both as a specific set of events and in terms of what it symbolized in both men's ideologies. Du Bois thought such an idea was absolutely insane, while Garvey thought it was more pragmatic than trying to build coalitions with open-minded white folks.

At the end of the day, though, what sparked their mutual dislike was mostly personal- they were both trying to attend the same Peace Conference in Paris in 1918, and some strange scheduling problems + missed connections that prevented Garvey from being able to attend led him to accuse Du Bois of deliberately sabotaging his own agenda in order to set himself apart, and then things escalated from there. Garvey rallied his followers against Du Bois and accused him of being dependent on whites, and Du Bois published a piece on the Black Star Line in Crisis that, while supportive of the idea, also exposed some of Garvey's own authoritarian tendencies and deliberate exaggerations about the success of his business. Then, after Garvey was arrested for mail fraud, Crisis ran an even more expository piece basically covering the complete collapse of the Black Star Line. After that point, their mutual animosity was pretty much cemented. They both called each other awful and petty things and in retrospect, much of the exchange between them seems pretty childish overall. Du Bois eventually called him insane, commented on his physical appearance, etc, while Garvey called Du Bois a "mulatto monstrosity" and claimed that he was tapdancing for whites. Basically, very little of what either one said about the other was true. Anyway, after Garvey was deported, Du Bois eventually wrote a piece in which he expressed some regret and wished Garvey the best for the future, but Garvey never really cooled down and continued to badmouth Du Bois/the NAACP until his death.
 

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I'm no expert, but I thought Garvey and DuBoise had more substantive disagreements- in addition to personally disliking one another. Garvey was a nationalist, and DuBoise wasn't, for instance. This may or may not be personal, but I also got the sense DuBoise and the other "elite" Blacks didn't respect Garvey much as an intellectual.

They didn't and they also judged him by his looks.
 

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I know yall HL nikkas don't wanna hear this but Marcus Garvey was a FRAUD with a gambling addiction. He wasn't takin nobody back to Africa. He raised a lot of money, so where were all the ships? He murdered James W.H. Eason for trying to reveal his scam.

Real talk, my nikkas. Yall like to pretend to be intellectuals, at least know the facts.
 
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