"It's a fine superhero movie... but it's not a great movie." - Ethan Hawke

[Maude]

When a lot of these movies are made the same...it’s really not

A lot compared to what exactly? Hollywood releases over 600 movies a year, half a dozen to a dozen are CMB movies.
More scifi movies are movies are will be released but Ethan sayin "Annihilation is only a good sci-fi film" cause he mad at the
attention and money these films bringing in.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

A lot compared to what exactly? Hollywood releases over 600 movies a year, half a dozen to a dozen are CMB movies.
More scifi movies are movies are will be released but Ethan sayin "Annihilation is only a good sci-fi film" cause he mad at the
attention and money these films bringing in.

Marvel movies will always get a check marked off for the jokes and pandering tone

I remember when Infinity War came out andnppl said they were CRYING

I go to the movies and I’m like
You know all these mfs coming back

Even if I didn’t read the comics it was a dead giveaway

Nikkas be treating Marvel movies like a bytch who love an aint shyt nikka
Giving them credit for the bare minimum

 

[Roid Jones]

Not all comic book films are great films, I don't give a fukk how many pairs of Spiderman pj's you had as a kid. And yes Logan is a decent film but it is wildly overrated.

 

[SunZoo]

I mean, let's really keep it 100, do y'all hold these films in high regard or are you just riding the wave?

I hold good films in high regard, yes. "These films" as in sectioning off comic book movies from the rest of cinema is some weak shyt.

There have been very good to great films in the comic book genre. I'd rather watch The Winter Soldier than the vast majority of films featuring Ethan Hawk.

With that being said, Logan is aight, haven't watched it again, don't plan to. Super overrated and a bad example of a great film in the genre.

And as the comic book genre expands, especially with the influence of the MCU and how they've done shyt, you're going to get comic book movies that fit into other genres. There is a hell of a lot of potential in the source materials that go beyond CBM's going the way of the Western like everybody assumes.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Wtf even qualifies a movie as "good"? All that is subjective. This sounds like snobby bullshyt to me.

Nope

Good writing isn’t subjective just like good drawings aren’t

 

[Black Panther]

Ethan is just hating.

Black panther is a great movie.
Logan is great movie.

No need for qualifiers.

:blackpblessed:

Is Ethan a 'great' non-superhero actor?

That Ether :bpbanderas:

To answer the OP, it's like saying Casino is a good organized crime movie, but not a great movie.

Or Shawshank is a great thriller, but not a great movie.

Does the superhero genre turn out some popcorn schlock on occasion?

Sure. But so do the thriller, crime, and romance genres...along with every genre/sub-genre that currently exists.

Good storytelling is good storytelling...capes or no capes.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Soon as I saw his comments I knew the film room would erupt

I see where he’s coming from completely. Not mad at his opinion because A it’s his opinion and 2ndly, I see his point. For him, most comic book flicks are all in the same bucket and nothing really separates them from one another. There are still tricks and tools comic book flicks can and do rely on that something like Before midnight can’t and won’t. So from his point of view, as far as great filmmaking goes, these movies don’t cut the mustard for him.

I’d challenge him on that with a few examples as far as what those movies ultimately have to say, like dark knight and black panther, but those are two in the genre that I feel like are truly truly standouts because they’re about something more than just what’s on paper. Let him cook

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

It's all playing dress up, Jackman dresses up as a mutant and Brando as a mob boss and Hawke as a cop.

It's all part of the same game. A good script/crew/etc will have us believe these theatre trained actors are really a crime mob or a police squad or superheroes. Same shyt

 

[obarth]

I'm not about to hate on dude for telling the truth. Especially considering there is no comic book movie seeing the best movie he's been in. With that said, I can't cosign limiting the scope of art. Any type of film can be great. If "guys in tights with metal coming out of their hands" is used to invalidate a film's ability to be considered great, then what does Ethan think about Star Wars? It's guys in tights swinging laser swords and moving shyt with their minds. A movie about a deaf woman falling in love with a fish monster just won Best Picture, my dudeI do feel ambition and risk taking are looked down upon in the superhero movie genre, but the few exceptions are legitimately great, imo. Unbreakable is a superhero movie. So while dude has a legitimate point, especially with the current landscape of the genre, I can't fukk with the spirit of his comments.

But my biggest takeaway from the article: why is Ethan Hawke getting a lifetime achievement award?

 

[Jello Biafra]

I understand Hawke's argument.
Logan was a good movie and would be at the top of most comic book movie lists in terms of its quality but I would never put it on the same level of a movie like The Godfather in terms of quality in writing, directing or acting.
There are degrees to this shyt.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I'm not about to hate on dude for telling the truth. Especially considering there is no comic book movie seeing the best movie he's been in. With that said, I can't cosign limiting the scope of art. Any type of film can be great. If "guys in tights with metal coming out of their hands" is used to invalidate a film's ability to be considered great, then what does Ethan think about Star Wars? It's guys in tights swinging laser swords and moving shyt with their minds. A movie about a deaf woman falling in love with a fish monster just won Best Picture, my dudeI do feel ambition and risk taking are looked down upon in the superhero movie genre, but the few exceptions are legitimately great, imo. Unbreakable is a superhero movie. So while dude has a legitimate point, especially with the current landscape of the genre, I can't fukk with the spirit of his comments.

But my biggest takeaway from the article: why is Ethan Hawke getting a lifetime achievement award?

Right I think his issue comes when comparing Logan to The Godfather or citizen kane or goodfellas. Of course it’s not on that level. I love the dark knight but it ain’t The Godfather. Love black panther but it ain’t picnic at hanging rock. And that’s just in terms of acting and what one cast is asked to do vs what another is asked to do. The Godfather couldn’t and wouldn’t use cgi as a crutch for its 3rd act as most comic book flicks do. That doesn’t mean they aren’t great. But again I get it.

And yeah Ethan has quietly put in good work the past 18 years. Besides the Before movies, he’s done a lot of good indie work and he’s killing it in first reformed. I’d say he’s been on a hot streak since 2013 and hasn’t let up.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

As a comic nerd, i'm actually with him on Logan being overrated. I liked it quite a bit, but didn't know what the fuss was about. But i'm not with him being all uppity about shyt like he wasn't in The Purge and Sinister. Not everything you did was Gattaca and Linklater movies, breh.

Superhero movies are mostly just blockbuster action movies with pieces of different genres, and didn't those ALWAYS exist? And some of those have no substance, and some give you a lil something to think about. Like I think Terminator 2 is an all time fukking classic, but its just an action movie at the end of the day. Does this thumbing of the nose exist for Mission Impossible, or other mostly vapid action genres?

So I dunno, I don't get what he's bytching about. There are still a ton of dramas and arthouse movies that drop every year, and get critical acclaim. Like there's maybe what...5 comic book movies a year? Out of how many movies that release in theaters?

Is he upset that like 2 out of the ton of comic book movies that currently exist are movies that got like a half assed reputation as high art? Just disagree and move on, man. Like I may not love Logan, but its certainly better than some of the shyt i've seen dude in. I like him. But stop it.

I agree with this. Comic book movies are trying to be blockbusters not art house films. Do blockbusters win best picture, best acting and directing Oscar Noms? Rarely to never. So to the crowd into that no, they are not as good.
But me personally when I think of movies I looked forward to seeing the most and enjoyed a theater experience the most it is blockbuster movies that I remember doing it. Art house Oscar shyt can resonate if the theme is particularly poignant to me personally. But otherwise most of that shyt is just whatever. An enjoyable way to spend some time. But yeah I forget a lot of details about them as soon as I leave the theater. So they may not be fast food because they were made with a certain level of care but still it has a similar effect.

 

[darryl]

Movies like dark Knight, Spiderman 2, black panther, etc are great movies to me, regardless of genre imo

 

[darryl]

At the end of the day shyts just opinions. Not everyone is going to like godfather or goodfellas, don't care how much praise they get.

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

Movies like dark Knight, Spiderman 2, black panther, etc are great movies to me, regardless of genre imo

would you really stack them up against other great movies that exist outside the genre?

are any of those movies as good as braveheart?