"It's a fine superhero movie... but it's not a great movie." - Ethan Hawke

[MartyMcFly]

people have the right to their opinion but then others have the right not to take them seriously. someone may fukk with lil yachty over outkast but i doubt there's much insight i can gain talking to this person.

if someone told me that dark knight is the best movie they've ever seen i'd just have to assume they don't watch many movies outside of the superhero genre... or they're 12 years old.

That’s cool breh. You don’t have to take that person seriously then. There are people and conversations we all choose to ignore or engage in every single day on this board and in real life. I’m sure you have friends you go to for certain things and friends you don’t. If you’re married you don’t go to your single friend for marriage advice. If you consider yourself a certain caliber or film fan who believes a comic book flick can’t run neck and neck with Hidden Fortress or seven samurai or taxi driver, then you know to engage with someone who does feel that way. Your call.

BUT I’ll say as someone who used to be really snobbish about his hip hop, college mellowed me out and made me see the beauty of other opinions, even if I disagree with them. As long as it’s stated intelligently and honestly, we can have a discussion.

 

[MartyMcFly]

You can say all Ethan Hawke has is Training Day. Name 3 comic book movies fukking with Training Day.

I'll give you Dark Knight for free.

I know it’ll be frowned upon on this board because girls are yucky, but the before trilogy is his best work and three of the best movies I’ve ever seen. Throw those in the pile as well. Also first reformed.

But anyway the argument that “oh he hasn’t done all great flicks so who is he to talk” is silly and insipid. He’s not out here saying the purge or sinister is on the level of a Bergman film; he recognizes everything has its place. He doesn’t have an issue with Logan or a comic book flick being good. He seems to believe “great” is reserved for a different echelon and he doesn’t believe they’re their. But again I don’t think he’d say everything he’s done is great either.

nikkas really in their feelings like he got his Reagan on and said their mothers suck cocks in hell

 

[hex]

"Training Day" is an obvious one....but he was in "Predestination", he can say what he wants.

Fred.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

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That Ether :bpbanderas:

To answer the OP, it's like saying Casino is a good organized crime movie, but not a great movie.

Or Shawshank is a great thriller, but not a great movie.

Does the superhero genre turn out some popcorn schlock on occasion?

Sure. But so do the thriller, crime, and romance genres...along with every genre/sub-genre that currently exists.

Good storytelling is good storytelling...capes or no capes.

It’s not because of capes
Marvel limits what their directors can do and wants most of them in the same style
So you not getting any cinematic masterpieces from them

Then you got Fox, which until Logan wasn’t making movies that was getting a lot of goodwill
First Class was shyt as an X-men movie and as a standalone
Idc what ppl say...it’s like rebooting the Avengers franchise and doing an Invaders movie
But I know ppl love it

And then Sony which everyone loves to shyt on

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Personally, the majority of these comic book films are one-and-done watches. For example, I enjoyed Avengers in the theater...but I sincerely don't feel compelled to watch it ever again. Can I really call a film like that "great?"

Like others have said, comic book movies can be great, but what we currently have are popcorn flicks that won't have much staying power when it's all said and done.

It's kind of like comic book movies are the Eminem of cinema (and I swear to God I had this forumlating in my head last night before you ever came in here !!!). They're vastly popular with the numbers to back it up and while they may get props now, primarily from their target demographic, time will not at all be kind to them as it's mostly mindless and quite frankly juvenile entertainment (which is absolutely fine but that can't last). 10, 15, 20 years from now, the only people left giving these movies praise will be a small sect who feel a sense of nostalgia since they were able to experience it in real time, while everyone else has washed their hands of them.

Totally disagree, 10, 15, 20 years from now these movies will be being remade, given sequels and prequels. Hollywood will definitely and most movie goers will not be washing their hands of them, quite the opposite.
Are people sitting around watching On Golden Pond, Ordinary People and Dead Poets Society and marveling at how great they are now? Generally speaking I don't think so. Very few films are so great people go back and look at them generation after generation actually. Some do transcend the times they were made in but most don't.
Goodfellas is a great movie that transcends the time it was made but the same year at the Oscars the other nominated films were Awakenings, Dances with Wolves, Ghost and Godfather III. None of these are similar to Goodfellas in reverence. And most are all but forgotten.

 

[Sterling Archer]

X2 and X-Men:First Class are better than Deadpool.

Mentioning X2 in the conversation means you dont know wtf you talking about.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

nikkas really in here mad
In every other entertainment they have qualifiers such as good or bad
Like they call ppl trash every day in sports

But if you call someone’s favorite movies trash it’s thas just your opinion man
Marvel will never make a ground breaking movie...and Logan’s success was partly because comic book movies have become so cookie cutter
So yes they are graded on a curve

 

[AnonymityX1000]

nikkas really in here mad
In every other entertainment they have qualifiers such as good or bad
Like they call ppl trash every day in sports

But if you call someone’s favorite movies trash it’s thas just your opinion man
Marvel will never make a ground breaking movie...and Logan’s success was partly because comic book movies have become so cookie cutter
So yes they are graded on a curve

But the MCU in of itself is 'groundbreaking'.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

But the MCU in of itself is 'groundbreaking'.

The MCUbis ground breaking because of interconnected ness
That’s it

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The MCUbis ground breaking because of interconnected ness
That’s it

I can dig it. But let's not like that's easy. People have tried since and most have not been successful.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

All I'm saying is that I dislike the idea of saying a film is meh because it's about a guy with retractable claws.

Hawke was in Predestination. Is that movie not as good as others because it's about time travel?

 

[ciubaca]

the feelings in here hawke is right

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

All I'm saying is that I dislike the idea of saying a film is meh because it's about a guy with retractable claws.

Hawke was in Predestination. Is that movie not as good as others because it's about time travel?

You’re missing the bigger picture
It’s not about the genre but how these movies are set up and how the companies are guiding them and director control
Or just grasping for a hit and throwing shyt out with no quality control like sony

He didn’t say all that but thats the common thread

 

[verbalkint]

Not saying they're comparable but pigeonholing an entire genre in elitist. There was a time you wouldn't find anything comedic in the Oscar talks.

 

[obarth]

Right I think his issue comes when comparing Logan to The Godfather or citizen kane or goodfellas.

Who's doing that?
That's like trying to devalue the worth of comedy movies because Pineapple Express isn't seeing Schindler's List. Who are these hypothetical people making such comparisons in the first place?
Just because I can call two wildly different movies great doesn't mean I hold those two great movies in equal standing. The Godfather is also the best movie of all time to me. I consider it a classic. I also consider The Goonies a classic. I don't think I have to explain to the average rational person that I'm not equating those two movies to each other merely because I used the same adjective to describe how I feel about them.