CriticalThought
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spittin in 1890's
George Johnson - The Whistling c00n - 1891 (The first recording by an African-American)
The Laughing c00n - Original 1898 Edison Version - George Washington Johnson
I'm done.
Is it widely known that Hip Hop/Rap was born in Jamaica?
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I'm done.
So what do you think on the video I posted of herc telling us what was happening?
K.O.N.Y
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cats trying "ancient Egypt" African americans out of the creation of hip hop
It's irrelevant considering in the 1950s, DJs in Jamaica were extending the breaks on records/ creating dubs and reciting rhymes over them.
If you can point me to DJs in New York doing that before the 70s I will dap you
I just realized you wrote that they were playing breakbeats in the 1950's
What songs had breaks back then that were being played because if you can prove that, you might convert me. And let's be clear, dub music and king tubby, are not music with break beats. I know people keep bringing up king tubby but his music sounded nothing like what DJs were playing. It was still banging, don't get me wrong.
cats trying "ancient Egypt" African americans out of the creation of hip hop
People just cant accept facts that challenge their beliefs and what they've been taught to be honest.
Hip hop music is essentially guys rhyming over breaks, this was happening in 1950s Jamaica. Nothing to really debate
CriticalThought
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I just realized you wrote that they were playing breakbeats in the 1950's
What songs had breaks back then that were being played because if you can prove that, you might convert me. And let's be clear, dub music and king tubby, are not music with break beats. I know people keep bringing up king tubby but his music sounded nothing like what DJs were playing. It was still hanging, don't get me wrong.
They just don't want you to know how our music influenced theirs. They'd have to write out R&B, Blues, Jazz, Soul for example. Or are we gonna deny that too?
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Your whole point was Kool Herc brought a Jamaican style of djing to the states ,and created hip hop, now you're saying it doesn't matter that he says different?
What in the flying fukk?
Caribbeans like Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash and Bambaata were essential, but it's African American music.
K.O.N.Y
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nikkas like @IllmaticDelta got all the carfax and receipts that African Americans been rapping since the thirties. That hip hop turntable/soundsystem/club culture was simply a changing of the guard from nyc disco culture. And that hip hop sonically, rest on disco and funk music. This was all happening before Jamaica
CriticalThought
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Your whole point was Kool Herc brought a Jamaican style of djing to the states ,and created hip hop, now you're saying it doesn't matter that he says different?
What in the flying fukk?
See. But I'll start with SKA music for example. Roscoe Gordon, Memphis, No More Doggin 1951
First SKA record- Theophilus Beckford- Easy Snapping 1959
Guess they made that all by themselves also huh?
CriticalThought
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They can try to deny it all they want. Our music forms spread to their island. Our music influenced any music they created. Point blank. Period. To deny that is to lie. It's the truth. They can try to write us out of the narrative but the evidence is there. Sorry. 
CriticalThought
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Do I need to move to reggae now? 
What I don't get is why do we hate each other so much that we can't tell the truth? This is not the 80's or earlier when we was still dealing with our issues, but now, we know better. The same people who talk shyt about white people stealing, black power and some are even rastas, are the same people who don't want to acknowledge their brothers accomplishments. I just don't get it, and I'm so tired of the fighting, lies, and backstabbing, just to act like whites are the only ones who do foul shyt. I love my people, but sometimes manThey can try to deny it all they want. Our music forms spread to their island. Our music influenced any music they created. Point blank. Period. To deny that is to lie. It's the truth. They can try to write us out of the narrative but the evidence is there. Sorry.
