Is it widely known that Hip Hop/Rap was born in Jamaica?

[WaveGang]

...Kool Herc is a New Yorker, a citizen of the United States. He adopted the customs and culture of New York, none of his contributions reflected Jamaican culture.

While growing up in Kingston he saw and heard the sound systems firsthand at neighborhood parties called dancehalls. He moved to the Bronx, New York at the age of 12 and began to throw free neighborhood parties.
He is also well known for his massive, high-quality, high-volume sound system, against which even superior DJs could not compete. Herc first used reggae records and was toasting to the music like Jamaican artists U-Roy and I-Roy. But he started using funk records due to popular demand.

http://www.cincystreetdesign.com/1520_Sedgwick/

As was said in OP. in 1950s Jamaica DJs would travel the island setting up neighbourhood parties for the poor

 

[bouncy]

I dont know why this is so hard for people to stomach

1950s Jamaica, deejays travelling with decks and records, reciting bars over records recording dubs etc in the 1950s and we're still debating lol

Correlation doesn't always equate to causation. If the people who did it, and are still alive say the opposite of you, why are you debating what they say they did, and who influenced them?

 

[bouncy]

Keep in mind Brooklyn Legendary Sound System KING ADDIES aka the BILLBOARD MACHINE aka THE KILLING MACHINE as its known in the field of clashing (battling)

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/broo...-of-reggae-30th-anniversary.164679/best-posts

Celebrated its 30th anniversary 2 years ago, founded by Jamaican Immigrants who were "descendants" of earlier historic soundsystems such as KING STURMAS..KILL-A-MAN-JARO..YOUTH PROMOTION SOUNDS and METROMEDIA formerly known as TOM THE SEBASTIAN which played its first dance in 1956!!

In fact even in the plate early 50s you had Jamaicans clashing(battling) .selecting (spinning)...and toasting (rapping)

Such as Count Matchuki and Lord Comic who use to rhyme. .toast and boast for soundsystems in the 1950s with the turntable spinning in the HEAT OF A CLASH! (Battle)

Sure the black american jive Talking deejays probally are the true source for Rapping itself

But ONLY JAMAICA combined ALL THE ELEMENTS that contributes to the culture of hip hop...

Respeck mi yute

My man, all that may be true but, just because they did that in Jamaica doesn't mean they brought it here, and started hip hop. I've yet to hear the people who were there say it influenced them. Its always people who just like the music, started listening to it in the late 80's when dancehall was popping, and played off of rap, just like rap did to dancehall, who are always bringing up this claim but, when you do the actual research, no one says reggae or Caribbean music influenced them. Its always James Brown, funk music, radio djs, and soul. That's it.

 

[WaveGang]

My man, all that may be true but, just because they did that in Jamaica doesn't mean they brought it here, and started hip hop. I've yet to hear the people who were there say it influenced them. Its always people who just like the music, started listening to it in the late 80's when dancehall was popping, and played off of rap, just like rap did to dancehall, who are always bringing up this claim but, when you do the actual research, no one says reggae or Caribbean music influenced them. Its always James Brown, funk music, radio djs, and soul. That's it.

DJ KOOL HERC

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

People believe this lie for two reasons.

1-They have a dislike of America or Black Americans so they don't like to give us credit.

2-They saw a clip on TV, saw herc was from Jamaica, and just repeat shyt without thinking about it. Once you study the time hip hop was born, you can see what we were told is pure bullshyt, and used to make money.

False.

Theres reggae songs from the 70s and 80s that had dudes rapping like it was 2003. They were THAT far ahead

 

[Nomad1]

hip hop was born in Bronx

 

[bouncy]

DJ KOOL HERC

Do you know hip hop history?

Park jams was happening way before kool herc. How can you not know this by now?

I'm so tired of posting this but listen to herc tell you HIMSELF what happened but, someone already posted him saying reggae and Jamaican sound systems didn't influence him, yet you keep insisting it did. Now, I can see how people can just take all black people history, because we don't want to even acknowledge who did what with ourselves, so anyone can come in change the story, and take credit. We can't even agree on something that is recorded, and the people are still alive!

 

[bouncy]

False.

Theres reggae songs from the 70s and 80s that had dudes rapping like it was 2003. They were THAT far ahead

Post them! And not songs from dancehall in the early 80's, rapping was already big in NYC by then.

I want to hear Jamaicans rapping like american rappers in 1974.

 

[Kitsch]

It was born in New York.

 

[Scientific Playa]

Signifying monkey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the literary theory text by Henry Louis Gates, Jr., see The Signifying Monkey.
The Signifying Monkey is a character of African-American folklore that derives from the trickster figure of Yoruba mythology, Esu Elegbara. This character was transported with Africans to the Americas under the names of Exu, Echu-Elegua, Papa Legba, and Papa Le Bas. Esu and his variants all serve as messengers who mediated between the gods and men by means of tricks.[1] The Signifying Monkey is “distinctly Afro-American” but is thought to derive from Yoruban mythology, which depicts Echu-Elegua with a monkey at his side.[2]

Numerous songs and narratives concern the Signifying Monkey and his interactions with his friends, the Lion and the Elephant.[3] In general the stories depict the Signifying Monkey insulting the Lion, but claiming that he is only repeating the Elephant’s words. The Lion then confronts the Elephant, who soundly beats the Lion. The Lion later comes to realize that the Monkey has been signifyin(g) and has duped him and returns angrily.[4]

"The Signifying Monkey" is a classic routine originally on a comedy album by Rudy Ray Moore.

 

[bouncy]

Signifying monkey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the literary theory text by Henry Louis Gates, Jr., see The Signifying Monkey.
The Signifying Monkey is a character of African-American folklore that derives from the trickster figure of Yoruba mythology, Esu Elegbara. This character was transported with Africans to the Americas under the names of Exu, Echu-Elegua, Papa Legba, and Papa Le Bas. Esu and his variants all serve as messengers who mediated between the gods and men by means of tricks.[1] The Signifying Monkey is “distinctly Afro-American” but is thought to derive from Yoruban mythology, which depicts Echu-Elegua with a monkey at his side.[2]

Numerous songs and narratives concern the Signifying Monkey and his interactions with his friends, the Lion and the Elephant.[3] In general the stories depict the Signifying Monkey insulting the Lion, but claiming that he is only repeating the Elephant’s words. The Lion then confronts the Elephant, who soundly beats the Lion. The Lion later comes to realize that the Monkey has been signifyin(g) and has duped him and returns angrily.[4]

"The Signifying Monkey" is a classic routine originally on a comedy album by Rudy Ray Moore.

I had this album, and his others. He was funny as shyt!

 

[Scientific Playa]

I had this album, and his others. He was funny as shyt!

sounds like old school bars to me

 

[CriticalThought]

sounds like old school bars to me

Yeah...some 1930's 2 Live Crew.

 

[CriticalThought]

 

[Scientific Playa]

spittin in 1890's



George Johnson - The Whistling c00n - 1891 (The first recording by an African-American)



The Laughing c00n - Original 1898 Edison Version - George Washington Johnson