Is it possible to get this shredded without gear?

[ultraflexed]

I'm 6'3, 215 and 33 inch waist and I don't even go gym

Yea, that's possible with no gear but it depends on genetics.

 

[ultraflexed]

you can gain muscle well into your seventies you moron and there's studies that show that. unless your test just nosedives completely, you can gain muscle for decades after your thirties. too much broscience in here.

And the guy in the op suffers from pencil-neck syndrome where these dudes get buff but have thin-ass necks that make them look ridiculous. he looks like a fukking fakkit bc his neck does not match his body.

No, you lose muscle in your legs the fastest after turning 40, and your definitely not gaining muscle to any real degree after 50 with no gear, even with gear your gains will be limited

 

[Pazzy]

You can't have extremely low body fat like that while having that much muscle. It's not possible.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Almost 75% of what he said is correct

Usually you can't gain muscle past 40 not 35
After 26 it's your test levesl that drop slowly each year after that.

All this is scientific, of course there are exception to the rule

With all due respect I'm still not buying it granted I've seen a video of you and I will acknowledge that you do know your shyt.

I'm 35 and added a lot of muscle to my lats within the last year.

Granted I'm not proving you wrong cuz you said 40.

I don't know man I wanna believe and I've seen plenty of jacked old timers in the gym lol.

I mostly feel sorry for people that get into weights after 25. All the best growth they could get is behind them

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

Oh, ok...you refuse to just accept the inevitable L. Creating straw man premises.
I've been part of the gym culture in the northeast and I say that the drug culture revolves around pros, cops,firemen, and ethnic white guys. In the part of the country where you stay, I'd guess that the same demographic primarily uses this stuff.

When there are police busts for these types of drugs...the suspect dealers & customers generally fit the profile that I just outlined...even down to the last names of the dealers ending in vowels.

I challenge you to find just 3 news articles detailing busts in YOUR state from the past 5 years involving bodybuilding drugs with Black suspects as dealers or customers. Just 3 articles from past 5 years with photos of suspected customers and dealers. Authorities bust Black men dealing and/or using other types of drugs, so if they are using hgh,etc like you claim they are.....cops have run down on them and held news conferences in your state . I'm expecting that the ages of the suspects will be in the article so I wanna see these 35 and older Black gear users.

While you're at it...also find 3 articles in 5 years for NJ.

Will watch this thread to see what you come up with....or not

Crazy line of thinking.

Black people were once the biggest consumers at one stage of crack cocaine but the suppliers of the drug weren’t even in the country. Bringing in large shipments of anabolic steroid powders into America cannot occur without some sort of connection in the ports and police turning a blind eye(Cops biggest users). And yes, the biggest producers and users of AAS are white guys but just on pure demographic numbers, access to powders, access to logistics and inside connections to brining in powders. UGLs make millions of dollars a year; so the competition is fierce and some random black guys would have a struggle cutting into the market.

You aren’t even answering my question or acknowledging the truth. You say there are natural diesel middle age black dudes but this is an assumption. You have no proof whatsoever they are natural, this is a fact, you are guessing. Just admit to this reality. There are a lot of function drugs users in society and by looks of them you couldn’t tell that had a substance addiction. Same applies to these supposed natural diesel middle aged black men, they could be running gear or maybe not. You cannot claim you know 100% for a fact they are natural. Because it takes a min or so to pin some test or deca, so unless you around these men 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, than you creating a reality to fix your perception.

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

Almost 75% of what he said is correct

Usually you can't gain muscle past 40 not 35
After 26 it's your test levesl that drop slowly each year after that.

All this is scientific, of course there are exception to the rule

Where do people get this nonsense hormone levels drop in their mid-20s? A male’s endocrine system doesn’t stop developing until 25/26. After the endocrine system is developed, the male enters the third and final stage of development, the masculation phase, where testosterone reach peak levels and remain high until late 30s when the slow decline starts. Between 25/26 to 38/40, you testosterone levels are high as possible and your androgen receptors are dense as possible.

Male's don't hit peak bone mass and muscle maturity until mid to late 30s, if this is the case, than how and why would horomone levels decline in men in their 20s if the man hasn't finished growing.

 

[ultraflexed]

I mostly feel sorry for people that get into weights after 25. All the best growth they could get is behind them

Not really just because your test levels lower doesn't mean you can't gain alot muscle. Muscle gain isn't testosterone dependant solely.

There androgenic= test base
Then anabolic= growth
Most women don't lift heavy and dont have high test but when they hit the gym and focus on legs they get huge quads and round booty, and yet have low test...

Test does enhance muscle gain but it has more of a significant role in strength gains and training.

But the more test you have the better.
So at 36 you can gain as fast someone 26 or 23, it depends on your genetics, training experience and diet, and access to gear but you window of opportunity isn't as wide so you have to be spot o

 

[ultraflexed]

Where do people get this nonsense hormone levels drop in their mid-20s? A male’s endocrine system doesn’t stop developing until 25/26. After the endocrine system is developed, the male enters the third and final stage of development, the masculation phase, where testosterone reach peak levels and remain high until late 30s when the slow decline starts. Between 25/26 to 38/40, you testosterone levels are high as possible and your androgen receptors are dense as possible.

Male's don't hit peak bone mass and muscle maturity until mid to late 30s, if this is the case, than how and why would horomone levels decline in men in their 20s if the man hasn't finished growing.

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age — Does it Matter?

Here one that says test drops 1% every year after 30, I'm still digging for the one about being 26

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age — Does it Matter?

Here one that says test drops 1% every year after 30, I'm still digging for the one about being 26

Here’s the issue with the modern medical community. They cannot literally put 1+1 together.

Assume male’s testosterone levels start declining at 30 once the Leydig cells starts to shrink but it is a known fact that peak bone mass and muscle maturity doesn’t occur until mid-30s. So the male bone mass density increases in his 30s, muscle maturity occurs in 30s yet somehow male hormone declines before this occurs? Modern science and medicine has no clue about longevity and development, Greeks, Chinese, Islamic scholars and numerous groups around the world all claimed 30 is when a male peaks physically yet Western science says its occurs just before 30s in the face of further physical development. You will be amazed at how wrong some of these doctors are.

The issue with hormone levels is the modern man is sick, extremely sick. With all the estrogen in the environment, populated food system, worst possible nutritional advice and bad lifestyle; we are experiencing crisis of low testosterone, the levels are so low that the values of which is considered good testosterone is lowered. So previously a guy with low testosterone in the 60s, would be considered good in 2017 standards. This is how bad it is. You get the average 25 yr old in 2017 and compare his levels to 40 year old in the 40s and 50s; you will be shocked and surprised who has the higher level. A lot of men are experiencing andropause well before their time, well before it.

 

[get these nets]

I lived in LA for 2 years, trained at Gold's and other gyms.....black buy just as much gear as white, the issue is usual how much you can afford to spend. Black people are usually not the dealers though

You're talking about the literal mecca of bodybuilding if you're working out in the circles of Gold's Gym out in L.A.
About as elite and as serious as it gets.
That's an obvious anomaly for any general discussion about lifting.

 

[get these nets]

Crazy line of thinking.

Black people were once the biggest consumers at one stage of crack cocaine but the suppliers of the drug weren’t even in the country. Bringing in large shipments of anabolic steroid powders into America cannot occur without some sort of connection in the ports and police turning a blind eye(Cops biggest users). And yes, the biggest producers and users of AAS are white guys but just on pure demographic numbers, access to powders, access to logistics and inside connections to brining in powders. UGLs make millions of dollars a year; so the competition is fierce and some random black guys would have a struggle cutting into the market.

You aren’t even answering my question or acknowledging the truth. You say there are natural diesel middle age black dudes but this is an assumption. You have no proof whatsoever they are natural, this is a fact, you are guessing. Just admit to this reality. There are a lot of function drugs users in society and by looks of them you couldn’t tell that had a substance addiction. Same applies to these supposed natural diesel middle aged black men, they could be running gear or maybe not. You cannot claim you know 100% for a fact they are natural. Because it takes a min or so to pin some test or deca, so unless you around these men 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, than you creating a reality to fix your perception.

You are deflecting here. I asked to see articles about hgh,roid busts and the accompanying photos of/or names of dealers and customers.
I'm asking you for things which should be easy to produce to support your claims.
You disingenuously asked whether I could verify that the 40+ year old Black men that I saw working out in the 1990s were or were not using drugs.

What part of the country do you live in, and have you ever been to a gym with high % of Black members? I find it hard, and almost impossible, to believe that any Black man who works out hasn't seen older Black dudes getting it in at the gym. In fact.....most guys would say it provides extra motivation to see diesel older guys working out.
Like I've said in this thread and in other health threads, Black people age very well..despite our general poor diets. Black people who eat well and exercise age even better.

This hgh/roids and tanning bed shyt is for the other man...not the brother man

Again......a handful of articles shouldn't be hard to find to support your position. Blacks get arrested for jaywalking and minor offenses daily....there should be some hgh/roid busts of Black gym members in your state, right?

 

[get these nets]

Oh, and the guy in op's post ,James Furlow, has a pro card....so the question about whether he's using or not is pretty much answered.

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

You are deflecting here. I asked to see articles about hgh,roid busts and the accompanying photos of/or names of dealers and customers.
I'm asking you for things which should be easy to produce to support your claims.
You disingenuously asked whether I could verify that the 40+ year old Black men that I saw working out in the 1990s were or were not using drugs.

What part of the country do you live in, and have you ever been to a gym with high % of Black members? I find it hard, and almost impossible, to believe that any Black man who works out hasn't seen older Black dudes getting it in at the gym. In fact.....most guys would say it provides extra motivation to see diesel older guys working out.
Like I've said in this thread and in other health threads, Black people age very well..despite our general poor diets. Black people who eat well and exercise age even better.

This hgh/roids and tanning bed shyt is for the other man...not the brother man

Again......a handful of articles shouldn't be hard to find to support your position. Blacks get arrested for jaywalking and minor offenses daily....there should be some hgh/roid busts of Black gym members in your state, right?

Why would I need to produce articles? Gear usage is rampant among the white community of all ages. Majority of users and supplies are white due to the numerous reasons I listed.

I don't want to waste anymore time with you, you basing your argument on hope, faith, naivety and ignorance.

You have no real clue if those diesel middle aged black men are using or not, FACT. This is where the argument ends

 

[get these nets]

Why would I need to produce articles? Gear usage is rampant among the white community of all ages. Majority of users and supplies are white due to the numerous reasons I listed.

I don't want to waste anymore time with you, you basing your argument on hope, faith, naivety and ignorance.

You have no real clue if those diesel middle aged black men are using or not, FACT. This is where the argument ends

I knew you'd throw in the towel when I asked YOU for evidence of Blacks using this stuff.

 

[lespaulultra3]

Lol....if you think those NFL guys are not on gear because they look softer. It's dumb to compare them to bodybuilder who are using 3x more drugs
Example
Nfl player may use just 300 mgs of test, some gh, and may be some tren.

A pro bodybuilder will use 1000mg test, 500 mg tren, and in some winni, some anavar with with 20 iu' s of gh per day so yes, bodybuilder will look extreme compared to NFL player, doesn't mean there not on gear

You have no idea what your talking about


Op....to answer your question, it depends on his genetics, some guys are naturally super shredded.
My cousin is 38 has always had abs like those in the pics, rarely ever trains, and when he does he gains easily but due to his super fast metabolism he loses it just as fast
There called ectomorphs.......

If your meso or mesomorph you going to have to take some gear to get that 5-7% body fat look you see in pics.


Mesomorph can sustain there muscle and gain it fairly easy but have to do cardio and diet.
Endomorph have the hardest time dieting down to low % to see and.

So it depends on your genetics
And most of those guys are on gear.

Most people can't even run while on tren so I seriously doubt any football players are taking that.