Is it possible to get this shredded without gear?

[Field Marshall Bradley]

A vial of Testosterone (E/C) 250mg/ml at 10ml is around 30-50, and if you willingly to make it yourself it is substantially cheaper. Like 10 dollars a vial. Sounds like you know nothing about the human anatomy, endocrine system and market for performance enhancement.

sounds like you know nothing about life offline....

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

No...he's on gear...look at his stomach...lol that ripped bloated look is a sign of steroids....and dehydration

If you wanna see what a naturally ripped body looks like...look at NFL RBs and Olympic Gymnasts...

wrong....just plain wrong

the bloated look comes from HGH...not 'steroids'....I'm pretty sure you're talking testosterone and the like

technically HGH is NOT 'steroids'

 

[1thouwow]

is the “gear”?

 

[Jesus Bhrist]

is the “gear”?

steroids in Cacanese

 

[idonttouchgrass]

according to ffmi Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) Calculator its is VERY possible for this guy to be natural. these pictures are more than likey during a (slightly dehydrated maybe) "pump". 200lbs isn't a lot for someone who's 6 foot 3 . . . but since he's 43, he could be on doctor prescribed test'

 

[TheBlackSun]

No. Those types of muscle, and toning can only be accomplished when combined with weight training. Doing conventional exercises will only go so far, but to be ripped like these dudes is going to require some additional help.

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

Let me put this in laymen's terms.
I've been working out on and off for about 20 years.
Consistently join gyms with lot of working class clientele because the rates are cheaper.
Have consistently seen middle aged cock diesel Black men working out over 20 years.
This time span precedes the era you referenced when the price of hgh,roids,etc became low or when the drugs became more accessible for regular people.
Easier for me to believe that these are fit guys who do blue collar work and stay in great shape, than to believe that this demographic is abusing performance enhancing drugs.
I am the age that these guys were when I first started working out. I haven't been consistent, but given a solid year..i could be in decent shape myself naturally.

Simple enough.

20 years ago it was only 1997. Any constant gym goer has access to anabolic like Deca, Test and Dbol without much issue. It definitely has gone cheaper and the general public is more aware than ever but doesn’t mean in 97 those diesel men didn’t have access to AAS. The real drop in price has been HGH and Insulin more so than AAS.

AAS has been around America since late 1930s, muscle magazine in the 40s spoke highly about the rejuvenation ability of testosterone propionate and the Male Horomone book in the 40s listed all the available AAS to Americans in the 40s. So obtaining gears in the 90s wasn’t too difficult at all. In 2017 people are experimenting with research chemicals and myostatin inhibitors.

Again, you have no clue what these men do in their private life and you being adamant they are natural without concrete proof is childlike behaviour. Stop giving other men benefit of the doubt, because in reality you don’t know, unsure and are guessing.

 

[get these nets]

20 years ago it was only 1997. Any constant gym goer has access to anabolic like Deca, Test and Dbol without much issue. It definitely has gone cheaper and the general public is more aware than ever but doesn’t mean in 97 those diesel men didn’t have access to AAS. The real drop in price has been HGH and Insulin more so than AAS.

AAS has been around America since late 1930s, muscle magazine in the 40s spoke highly about the rejuvenation ability of testosterone propionate and the Male Horomone book in the 40s listed all the available AAS to Americans in the 40s. So obtaining gears in the 90s wasn’t too difficult at all. In 2017 people are experimenting with research chemicals and myostatin inhibitors.

Again, you have no clue what these men do in their private life and you being adamant they are natural without concrete proof is childlike behaviour. Stop giving other men benefit of the doubt, because in reality you don’t know, unsure and are guessing.

Oh, ok...you refuse to just accept the inevitable L. Creating straw man premises.
I've been part of the gym culture in the northeast and I say that the drug culture revolves around pros, cops,firemen, and ethnic white guys. In the part of the country where you stay, I'd guess that the same demographic primarily uses this stuff.

When there are police busts for these types of drugs...the suspect dealers & customers generally fit the profile that I just outlined...even down to the last names of the dealers ending in vowels.

I challenge you to find just 3 news articles detailing busts in YOUR state from the past 5 years involving bodybuilding drugs with Black suspects as dealers or customers. Just 3 articles from past 5 years with photos of suspected customers and dealers. Authorities bust Black men dealing and/or using other types of drugs, so if they are using hgh,etc like you claim they are.....cops have run down on them and held news conferences in your state . I'm expecting that the ages of the suspects will be in the article so I wanna see these 35 and older Black gear users.

While you're at it...also find 3 articles in 5 years for NJ.

Will watch this thread to see what you come up with....or not

 

[ultraflexed]

Dude is 6'3 200 lbs with a 33 inch waist

His wife is bad too

That super hard tortoise shell look is due to his low body fat and dehydration and slight bloating due to roids.

Look at the gymnasts, muscular basketball players and football players...their stomachs are cut and have abs...but they ain't walking around with damn tortoise shells...

Here are steroid users, look at their stomachs

Non-Steroid users

Lol....if you think those NFL guys are not on gear because they look softer. It's dumb to compare them to bodybuilder who are using 3x more drugs
Example
Nfl player may use just 300 mgs of test, some gh, and may be some tren.

A pro bodybuilder will use 1000mg test, 500 mg tren, and in some winni, some anavar with with 20 iu' s of gh per day so yes, bodybuilder will look extreme compared to NFL player, doesn't mean there not on gear

You have no idea what your talking about


Op....to answer your question, it depends on his genetics, some guys are naturally super shredded.
My cousin is 38 has always had abs like those in the pics, rarely ever trains, and when he does he gains easily but due to his super fast metabolism he loses it just as fast
There called ectomorphs.......

If your meso or mesomorph you going to have to take some gear to get that 5-7% body fat look you see in pics.


Mesomorph can sustain there muscle and gain it fairly easy but have to do cardio and diet.
Endomorph have the hardest time dieting down to low % to see and.

So it depends on your genetics
And most of those guys are on gear.

 

[SchrodingersStrapped!]

How much mass you hold will always be relative to body fat percentage....

If its a BMI above 22, then its most likely roids.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Since a lot of cats on here don't understand how the body works and don't want to use google....uncle Kill will help you out.

You don't get buffer naturally when you get older. In fact you start losing muscle and fat (small percentages) when you hit 35. Just the way of the world/body. Now of course this can be prevented either with HGH or other steroids. Basically, there's only two schools of thought on this; If you have a six pack, you're either on the juice or extremely hungry/dehydrated. Now the latter meaning you're not bulky whatsoever.

If you have a six pack and you're fully jacked passed 30, you're on the juice. Chael Sonnen goes in on this both on his podcast and book. Bas Rutten pretty much backs it up the same logic and science of course. You simply don't get bigger by lifting more in your 40's.

This is fukking retarded.

 

[ultraflexed]

This is fukking retarded.

Almost 75% of what he said is correct

Usually you can't gain muscle past 40 not 35
After 26 it's your test levesl that drop slowly each year after that.

All this is scientific, of course there are exception to the rule

 

[WaveGang]

6'3" 200 with a 33 inch waist isn't unattainable naturally.

Not to say he's natural or not, but it's not impossible.

I'm 6'3, 215 and 33 inch waist and I don't even go gym

 

[CarbonBraddock]

Almost 75% of what he said is correct

Usually you can't gain muscle past 40 not 35
After 26 it's your test levesl that drop slowly each year after that.

All this is scientific, of course there are exception to the rule

you can gain muscle well into your seventies you moron and there's studies that show that. unless your test just nosedives completely, you can gain muscle for decades after your thirties. too much broscience in here.

And the guy in the op suffers from pencil-neck syndrome where these dudes get buff but have thin-ass necks that make them look ridiculous. he looks like a fukking fakkit bc his neck does not match his body.

 

[ultraflexed]

according to ffmi Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) Calculator its is VERY possible for this guy to be natural. these pictures are more than likey during a (slightly dehydrated maybe) "pump". 200lbs isn't a lot for someone who's 6 foot 3 . . . but since he's 43, he could be on doctor prescribed test'

Oh, ok...you refuse to just accept the inevitable L. Creating straw man premises.
I've been part of the gym culture in the northeast and I say that the drug culture revolves around pros, cops,firemen, and ethnic white guys. In the part of the country where you stay, I'd guess that the same demographic primarily uses this stuff.

When there are police busts for these types of drugs...the suspect dealers & customers generally fit the profile that I just outlined...even down to the last names of the dealers ending in vowels.

I challenge you to find just 3 news articles detailing busts in YOUR state from the past 5 years involving bodybuilding drugs with Black suspects as dealers or customers. Just 3 articles from past 5 years with photos of suspected customers and dealers. Authorities bust Black men dealing and/or using other types of drugs, so if they are using hgh,etc like you claim they are.....cops have run down on them and held news conferences in your state . I'm expecting that the ages of the suspects will be in the article so I wanna see these 35 and older Black gear users.

While you're at it...also find 3 articles in 5 years for NJ.

Will watch this thread to see what you come up with....or not

I lived in LA for 2 years, trained at Gold's and other gyms.....black buy just as much gear as white, the issue is usual how much you can afford to spend. Black people are usually not the dealers though