Why is it so hard for the Democratic Party to take accountability?

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While the platforms might be slightly different MAGA or should I say trump is much close to your typical neoliberal than he is a populist, the MAGA base populism is just using the American Racial Hierarchy to steal money and give it to billionaires and Israel, there’s a reason the democrats are not doing much to stop this, because they Both serve the same people. The middle class has been getting gutted and Biden led the most massive transfer of wealth to the billionaires ever.
Trump actions and the MAGA movement don’t always go hand in hand though. We’re seeing that everyday as his supporters are being left out to dry on some issues and as he struggles to try and do others.

Neoliberal republicans understand the importance of undocumented workers to do the shyt work. MAGA wants them all out.

Neoliberal conservatives are financially sound and worried about the stock market, MAGA is worried about gas and food prices. Neoliberal conservatives know taxes are stupid, but MAGA thinks they are punitive on other countries. Neolibera conservatives realizes a long time ago that they can make money with black people even if they don’t socialize with them. MAGA is literally trying to get black people fired from jobs they can’t replace them in.

The two are not the same, if a neoliberal republican was elected we probably wouldn’t be teetering on an economic crash while planes fall out of the sky. It would be business as usual with the democrats being there as staged opposition. MAGA are so disruptive, democrats are actually being forced to leave the halls of Congress and argue with a security guard and fail to move him because that would require real fighting.

There are legit progressives in the Democratic Party too but they are ostracized to being at best thought leaders.

There main difference between conservatives populism and liberal populism is the head figure Trump was willing to burn the party down to get leadership and Bernie tried twice to win through the system that was designed to keep his type of politician out of power.

Don’t even get me started on how Citizen United allowed billionaires to usurp the conservatives populist movement to the literal point Elon fukking Musk is firing government employees and downloading everyone social security numbers.

It’s all very absurd and surreal and the only way it gets fixed is we see a constitutional crisis around removing Citizen United in four years (if the democrats win the presidency) or the progressives in the party split into their own party knowing they will do the heavy lifting in four years to get the voting public interested in a neoliberal democrat by giving their endorsement.

Honestly it might take both actions happening in reverse order. The progressives form their own party, they endorse a mainstream Dem who agrees ton enact their policies, and then that same Dem either goes at citizen United directly or makes edits to the SC to get a court that would make that change.
 
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Leftists live in a false reality. This country largely does not want any sort of progressive policies as if they did, they would support the idea regardless of the party or individual that it’s aligned to and not have to be fed a bullshyt exit poll question to be tricked into objectivity.
It's not true. During the campaign last year they did a blind test on policies. Without showing the name of the candidate polls showed people overwhelmingly were in favor of Kamala's policies over Trump's
 

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So in fact this dumb ass did spend most of the day in here arguing. I think I was right to disengage and actually get outside of my house. Something that chronically online loser has rarely done based on his posts in here @AnonymityX1000
 

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An Ivy League alum with a self-proclaimed 130+ IQ? How quaint:mjgrin:. It's adorable that you equate institutional affiliation and test scores with actual intelligence. If only wisdom were as easily acquired as acceptance letters. Let me clue you in on a secret, there are plenty of idiots at Harvard. Just because you managed to get in doesnt mean you're not one of them. Just ask Jeffrey Skilling. All that IQ and you couldnt even read the OP let alone form a counterargument, I'll give you the same offer as I gave the other idiot. Try to read at least one of my posts before you form a counterargument that doesnt rely on fallacies and name calling and you win 100 bucks. Shouldn't be so difficult for a genius
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I honestly don't understand why some of y'all like moderates so much. It reminds me of regular people voting for Republicans. Makes no sense whatsoever other than you are afraid of change.
You can keep stomping your feet and huffing and puffing that the country is not as progressive as you'd like OR you can meet people where they are and win elections.

The choice is yours. But believing that the Dems are not "progressive enough" is a losing strategy.

Might win you some elections here and there but not the White House.
 

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The key indicator in all of this data is these are likely voters who were polled i.e people who are already invested in the political machine. The vast majority of Americans do not vote and the vast majority of non voting Americans are a combination of ignorant, selfish, underserved, under represented and conditioned to buy into the Puritanical, conservative, meritocratic view on labor and education, no matter how inefficient and false that view is. you might could convince me that the majority of Americans aren’t explicitly against progressive policies, but they are certainly not for them in any way where these opinions form the basis of a voting bloc, either.
Only an absolute idiot or an owner of a business would say they are against fair wages, extended paid paternity leave, and eliminating at-will employment.

Only an absolute idiot would be against universal healthcare

Only an absolute idiot would be against affordable college

Only an absolute idiot or landlord would be against making housing affordable and nationwide rent control.

People will side with what will make their life less stressful and that generally aligns with progressive policies. Bernie Sanders did a great job with putting it in plain speech but the Dems put a full court press on trying to make it seem like it would be impossible and cost people a lot of money
 

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Ever since Trump won again I've realized the majority of the Coli Left is not concerned about actual change. Whether Trump were to make an executive order declaring slavery legal again or was on micced passing gas, topics would be flooded with tangibles, #bothsiders, and other nonsense the same way they are right now. These news media outlets were called out for wanting Trump back in the White House for the purpose of ratings (his antics while Biden was in office still kept eyeballs on the MSM) but I see the Coli doing the same thing since Kamala lost after pretending she was a great candidate when everyone hated her 4 years ago, trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

Despite Democrats pretending to be a tent party for the past 20 years and Obama at least doing a good job with grassroots outreach during his '08 campaign, its obvious they have drifted away from all demographics in favor of getting a piece of the Corporate Donor pie, trying to play the ultimate Bothsides garbage. They have even more issues to sort out than the GOP who fight like cats but get things done at the end of the day.
 

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You can keep stomping your feet and huffing and puffing that the country is not as progressive as you'd like OR you can meet people where they are and win elections.

The choice is yours. But believing that the Dems are not "progressive enough" is a losing strategy.

Might win you some elections here and there but not the White House.
A supposed left political party shouldn't be moving to the right and keep thinking that they'll steal conservative voters away from the Republicans while keeping their left leaning base
 

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fakkit Demic00ns still thinking Mammala was a great candidate :mjlol:
When your choices for President are a narcissistic white supremacist moron on the one hand....

It doesn't matter what's on the other hand.
That's the better candidate.
 

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Ever since Trump won again I've realized the majority of the Coli Left is not concerned about actual change. Whether Trump were to make an executive order declaring slavery legal again or was on micced passing gas, topics would be flooded with tangibles, #bothsiders, and other nonsense the same way they are right now. These news media outlets were called out for wanting Trump back in the White House for the purpose of ratings (his antics while Biden was in office still kept eyeballs on the MSM) but I see the Coli doing the same thing since Kamala lost after pretending she was a great candidate when everyone hated her 4 years ago, trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

Despite Democrats pretending to be a tent party for the past 20 years and Obama at least doing a good job with grassroots outreach during his '08 campaign, its obvious they have drifted away from all demographics in favor of getting a piece of the Corporate Donor pie, trying to play the ultimate Bothsides garbage. They have even more issues to sort out than the GOP who fight like cats but get things done at the end of the day.
You just posted a bunch of nothing.

Why the fukk should anyone focus on “the coli left”? Who gives a fukk about some bullshyt smearing in a discussion about so called party accountability?

You saying “ its obvious they have drifted away from all demographics in favor of getting a piece of the Corporate Donor pie” when the GOP has dabbled in more dark billionaire money as a result of the 2010 Citizens United decision. Even you bringing up Obama grassroots outreach is outdated as that decision made grassroots presidential campaigning obsolete. :camby:

To sit there and say Dems this and that without the story of Mitch McConnell, RBC’s selfish ass and others impacting the Dems is shortsighted.
 
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