Is it cringey how serious Bret Hart took wrasslin?

[JQ Legend]

Only thing cringy really was him refusing to lose the belt in Montreal. Montreal is a 37 hour drive from Calgary. He act like it's his hometown. That's like a nikka from California saying he won't lose a belt in Buffalo because he's an "American hero". In retrospect, that was dumb.

I understand it was more because Shawn said he wouldn't lose to him, but who gives a fukk. He was about to get 9 Ms from WCW. I would've lost in 3 seconds if they asked me to. Who gives a fukk.

To further add to the nonsense, he said he didn’t want to lose at Survivor Series 97 because it was in Canada but he would have gladly dropped the belt the next night on Raw which was taking place where?

Spoiler

Toronto

 

[supertrekker]

To further add to the nonsense, he said he didn’t want to lose at Survivor Series 97 because it was in Canada but he would have gladly dropped the belt the next night on Raw which was taking place where?

Spoiler

Toronto

I think it was in Ottawa.But the real reason was that he didn't want to drop it to Shawn Michaels because he was an a$$hole.

 

[3Rivers]

But really it's the stroke more than anything. If you've ever had a family member have a stroke, you know it can change a person completely or ramp up their worst traits.

Absolutely. Strokes are no joke

 

[MushroomX]

No Ones shytting On Bret For Taking His Job Seriously

But When You’re A 60 Year Old Man Who Probably Lays Awake At Night Cause Vince Asked You To Put Over A Guy On On A House Show In 1993 You Cone Across As Pathetic

A lot Of Wrestlers Take The Business Very Serious Without Coming Across As Bitter And Pathetic

No... it's cringey how he took the onscreen wrestling character "Bret The Hitman Hart" too seriously.

It's his craft, he grew up in it, his family was defined by it. Of course he'd take wrestling seriously. It's not something he started doing because football didn't work out or because he didn't wanna get a "real job". He's actually proud of his accomplishments and his success in wrestling, as he should be.

But the only time he loses me is when he gets into that stuff about being a hero and his image and all of that... it's almost like he forgot to have fun with it. And it seems the older he got, the more critical he became and after awhile it's like gotdamn, laugh a little bit sometimes. As debatably messed up as the whole Screwjob shyt was, to still be mad about it even after you've shaken hands with the people involved and said you were ready to move along, is the kinda stuff that'll kill you early.

Pretty much.

It's hard to put Jordan and Kobe, and Shaq because in sports... there is just the goal; Winning the Game.

In wrestling it's different; a dedication of performing in the ring AND a dedication of upholding the keyfabe/'keeping the curtain closed to the public'. No one will ever doubt Bret Hart excelled at the first, he was like Jordan and Kobe in that regard, always keeping his partner safe.

Its that 2nd aspect which Bret couldn't understand. The foundation of what he was taught, of how like a title was suppose to change, or keeping the traditions, that is what Bret was taught to upheld by his father. That is what the Hart Family was about, wrestling. The thing was, because of WCW in a way, it forced Vince to get creative and 'buck' the trend of what professional wrestling was and not make it as a formula in order to survive; which went against Bret's tradition-based training.

In a cruel twist, Owen was probably the Hart who just didn't give a shyt about it, and he ended up dying. When your conditioned in a military fashion to follow that, against others who view professional wrestling as a job but not what defines you, it was hard for Bret to get past that stage.

For the most part, he has learned to let it go and enjoy the rest of his life.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Only thing cringy really was him refusing to lose the belt in Montreal. Montreal is a 37 hour drive from Calgary. He act like it's his hometown. That's like a nikka from California saying he won't lose a belt in Buffalo because he's an "American hero". In retrospect, that was dumb.

I understand it was more because Shawn said he wouldn't lose to him, but who gives a fukk. He was about to get 9 Ms from WCW. I would've lost in 3 seconds if they asked me to. Who gives a fukk.

I think its more about principle than money with him. Michaels pulled that ego I aint laying down for nobody shyt and Bret flexed his leverage.


You can look at Brets WCW stint and you can tell he hated it there.

 

[Art Barr]

Only thing cringy really was him refusing to lose the belt in Montreal. Montreal is a 37 hour drive from Calgary. He act like it's his hometown. That's like a nikka from California saying he won't lose a belt in Buffalo because he's an "American hero". In retrospect, that was dumb.

I understand it was more because Shawn said he wouldn't lose to him, but who gives a fukk. He was about to get 9 Ms from WCW. I would've lost in 3 seconds if they asked me to. Who gives a fukk.

You are putting american semantics onto foreign ideals. Which as we both know. I have said originally that was his own worst enemy. Yet after going and being in canada frfr. Montreal especially. I can understand why bret was adamant. Plus, at this point in what vkm faked as a social relationship with bret.
also precipitated bret standing firm on his laurels.

In good faith bret was promised a whole lot.
None of it came to fruition. Yet bret tried to ask for at least a sliver of good fsith from vkm. After bret had to take fraud good faith lacking spin style verbiage and acts. From someone who never acted in good faith.
Plus bret was not why vkm was at a loss as well. Vkm was at a loss becauee he does not understand quality of work. Plus lacked the wherewithal to understand in full.
what the byproduct was of low quality workrate based products.
Like real talk,...if not for flair protege in scsa.

Vkm never re-rights none of it aftwr bret leaves.
Yet bret setup how the protege of flair became just known as scsa.

Plus kept the ship afloat.
before hogun and was the quality marker for a legacy theft based company. That had no respect for any aspect of the business besides the licensing, gate profitable revenue from both.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I think its more about principle than money with him. Michaels pulled that ego I aint laying down for nobody shyt and Bret flexed his leverage.


You can look at Brets WCW stint and you can tell he hated it there.

Hogun having goblin control of the book will do that to anyone. shyt bret may not have liked.
vkm or hogun during the rnr era till now and rightfully so.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

No Ones shytting On Bret For Taking His Job Seriously

But When You’re A 60 Year Old Man Who Probably Lays Awake At Night Cause Vince Asked You To Put Over A Guy On On A House Show In 1993 You Cone Across As Pathetic

A lot Of Wrestlers Take The Business Very Serious Without Coming Across As Bitter And Pathetic

They are not the raven haired golden boy prodigy of stu hart tho.

Art Barr


The protege to the greatest emcee in rap.
Protege to a legend

 

[patscorpio]

Every single other superstar was willing to put others over but Bret. Hogan was a mark for himself too but even he took clean losses if it was best for business. Bret just wanted to make Bret look good.

bret had a hand with working with steve austin and mentoring the rock in their early years..i dont think he had an issue with putting ppl over when needed

 

[JQ Legend]

bret had a hand with working with steve austin and mentoring the rock in their early years..i dont think he had an issue with putting ppl over when needed

Name someone Bret put over clean in WWF that wasn’t in his family

Maybe you can find a few matches in the 80s and even those will be few and far in between. I doubt you’d find a single match from the 90s tho.

 

[patscorpio]

Not the first to say it (and I'm not getting into the "putting people over" shyt) but why would a performer not want to take their profession seriously. Entertaining, through whatever medium, is a craft

I guess there's a lot of folk who are good at what they do taking the "work hard and say it's easy" approach but Bret is a serious guy

personally i think its not a knock..the man trained in the dungeon with 2 japanese wrestlers..of course its going to be serious lol...bret in his prime i loved watching his matches..so if being serious means putting out the quality matches he did and have fans still remember you in some fashion 20 years after your career ends...shyt ill take that

 

[FreshAIG]

You are putting american semantics onto foreign ideals. Which as we both know. I have said originally that was his own worst enemy. Yet after going and being in canada frfr. Montreal especially. I can understand why bret was adamant. Plus, at this point in what vkm faked as a social relationship with bret.
also precipitated bret standing firm on his laurels.

In good faith bret was promised a whole lot.
None of it came to fruition. Yet bret tried to ask for at least a sliver of good fsith from vkm. After bret had to take fraud good faith lacking spin style verbiage and acts. From someone who never acted in good faith.
Plus bret was not why vkm was at a loss as well. Vkm was at a loss becauee he does not understand quality of work. Plus lacked the wherewithal to understand in full.
what the byproduct was of low quality workrate based products.
Like real talk,...if not for flair protege in scsa.

Vkm never re-rights none of it aftwr bret leaves.
Yet bret setup how the protege of flair became just known as scsa.

Plus kept the ship afloat.
before hogun and was the quality marker for a legacy theft based company. That had no respect for any aspect of the business besides the licensing, gate profitable revenue from both.


Art Barr

I know what I said was an oversimplification of it, and you're right foreign land does have different ideas of heroism.

However, once Vince was pushing out for Bret to leave, he should've just dropped the title to Shawn with the hassle, even if Shawn was the one who was an a$$hole. Because at the end of the day, the title is really WWE's property and they just let you hold it. Just give it up, even if you feel it's wrong. Vince didn't hold up his end of the contract but it's his company, he will never lose at the end. Now 23+ years later it's Bret that's still suffering not Vince.

 

[julesocean]

If anything that’s exactly what we need today. That attitude is why Japan is the most respected territory in the business.

Yup. Anyone who treated wrestling as a real sport, or "lived their gimmick" in the decades after the 80s were usually some of the best workers, and most believable wrestlers. Sheerly through practice and repetition. Just like how you get good at anything.

I know it seems like these kinds of marks for themselves and cringe, but when you look at the actual product and not the "man behind the wrestler" they always came to deliver.

 

[invincible1914]

To further add to the nonsense, he said he didn’t want to lose at Survivor Series 97 because it was in Canada but he would have gladly dropped the belt the next night on Raw which was taking place where?

Spoiler

Toronto

He was talking about just handing the belt over and walking away. That would have made the belt meaningless, as the next person wouldn’t be considered the real champ.

 

[JQ Legend]

He was talking about just handing the belt over and walking away. That would have made the belt meaningless, as the next person wouldn’t be considered the real champ.

Bret going over arguably WWF’s top star clean in a world title match then showing up to WCW the very next night while WWF now has to scramble for a new world champion would have made WWF look terrible.

And dudes really in here disagreeing with me saying Bret only cared about his own image, not the business itself.