Is it cringey how serious Bret Hart took wrasslin?

[stro]

These posts about who he should have put over...the fukk shows were you watching? Do you guys understand how booking works?


He should have put Razor over....when? At the 1993 Rumble when he had only been champ for about 2 months and was facing a heel who had only been in the company for a couple of months and a WM match was being set up the same night? At the KOTR 1993 that was made completely to be built around Bret?

He should have put Perfect over....when? In 1991 when the entire point of that match was elevating Bret to the next level? Or at KOTR 93, which again was built entirely around Bret?

He should have put over HBK...well, he did, and HBK bombed as a face champ while Bret was gone.

He should have put over Diesel....when? The 1994 KOTR match elevated Diesel tremendously and also set up the start of Diesel's turn and title run and the Hart family drama that went through the rest of the year. The Rumble 1995 match? A classic that also was to set up multiple angles and storylines that would go through WM and eventually end up with Diesel's turn at Survivor Series. That then led into Taker vs Diesel, so it didn't make any sense for Bret to drop the title to Taker at Rumble 1996 or Nash at IYH when WM was setting up Bret vs HBK and Taker vs Diesel.

Austin? Anyone who thinks Austin going over Bret at WM 13 would have been the right call is a fukking moron who doesn't understand pro wrestling at all.

In WCW, he put Sting/DDP/Booker over and did more for Benoit than just about anyone possible.


You guys think Bret Hart should have been dropping falls to Disco Inferno on Thunder and Mantaur on Superstars or some shyt?

 

[JQ Legend]

These posts about who he should have put over...the fukk shows were you watching? Do you guys understand how booking works?


He should have put Razor over....when? At the 1993 Rumble when he had only been champ for about 2 months and was facing a heel who had only been in the company for a couple of months and a WM match was being set up the same night? At the KOTR 1993 that was made completely to be built around Bret?

He should have put Perfect over....when? In 1991 when the entire point of that match was elevating Bret to the next level? Or at KOTR 93, which again was built entirely around Bret?

He should have put over HBK...well, he did, and HBK bombed as a face champ while Bret was gone.

He should have put over Diesel....when? The 1994 KOTR match elevated Diesel tremendously and also set up the start of Diesel's turn and title run and the Hart family drama that went through the rest of the year. The Rumble 1995 match? A classic that also was to set up multiple angles and storylines that would go through WM and eventually end up with Diesel's turn at Survivor Series. That then led into Taker vs Diesel, so it didn't make any sense for Bret to drop the title to Taker at Rumble 1996 or Nash at IYH when WM was setting up Bret vs HBK and Taker vs Diesel.

Austin? Anyone who thinks Austin going over Bret at WM 13 would have been the right call is a fukking moron who doesn't understand pro wrestling at all.

In WCW, he put Sting/DDP/Booker over and did more for Benoit than just about anyone possible.


You guys think Bret Hart should have been dropping falls to Disco Inferno on Thunder and Mantaur on Superstars or some shyt?

I don’t think he should have lost at SummerSlam 91

But why was the KOTR built around Bret in 93?

The whole purpose of KOTR is to catapult someone to the world title picture

Bret is literally the only KOTR ever that went from world champ to KOTR. You even said yourself they had a whole tournament built around making Bret look strong after he just came off a world title reign with several people on the roster who needed that more than he did

Y’all don’t even realize y’all just further proving my point

And it’s one thing for Bret to be built strong and win most of his matches which I’m not saying shouldn’t have happened. It’s a whole other thing for him to not give anyone a clean win over him that wasn’t his family member.

Name one person in WWF Bret took a clean loss to in the 90s that wasn’t his family member. He was in WWF for almost 8 years in the 90s, why is it so hard for y’all to name one person?

Stop the emotional outbursts and just name one person he gave a clean victory to his last 8 years in WWF. Bret cared about making Bret look strong a hell of a lot more than he cared bout the wrestling business itself.

 

[showtime]

Good. fukk HBK.

And his first title reign might be up there with the most boring of all time. His feud with Bret was good because of Bret. Then once Bret took a hiatus after WM12, the product was pure until Bret came back to feud with Austin.

Bret was so bad and boring as champ that they had to put the tilte on fukkin Bob Backlund and Diesel

 

[showtime]

He should have put over HBK...well, he did, and HBK bombed as a face champ while Bret was gone.

House show numbers and ratings doubled when HBK won the title so how did he bomb as champ?

 

[DaHNIC82]

House show numbers and ratings doubled when HBK won the title so how did he bomb as champ?

Nikka Nobody was gonna watch that chip and dale dancing faggit over the NWO

 

[GOAT]

Bret was so bad and boring as champ that they had to put the tilte on fukkin Bob Backlund and Diesel

Yet he drew better, had better matches, and was apart of significantly more memorable feuds than Shawn was as champion.

Shawn's first title reign was god awful. Not a single memorable thing about it and he was getting booed as a babyface in favor of Psyco fukking Sid.

 

[Art Barr]

I know what I said was an oversimplification of it, and you're right foreign land does have different ideas of heroism.

However, once Vince was pushing out for Bret to leave, he should've just dropped the title to Shawn with the hassle, even if Shawn was the one who was an a$$hole. Because at the end of the day, the title is really WWE's property and they just let you hold it. Just give it up, even if you feel it's wrong. Vince didn't hold up his end of the contract but it's his company, he will never lose at the end. Now 23+ years later it's Bret that's still suffering not Vince.

I know what I said was an oversimplification of it, and you're right foreign land does have different ideas of heroism.

However, once Vince was pushing out for Bret to leave, he should've just dropped the title to Shawn with the hassle, even if Shawn was the one who was an a$$hole. Because at the end of the day, the title is really WWE's property and they just let you hold it. Just give it up, even if you feel it's wrong. Vince didn't hold up his end of the contract but it's his company, he will never lose at the end. Now 23+ years later it's Bret that's still suffering not Vince.

that was my original take as well.
yet i made my take on bret as an inexperienced child at 21 years old on that rant. Twenty one years ago too.
Where I was not actualized as a number one draw in my own business. Then experienced even worse than bret professionally. To understand what good faith is. When back then i did not know wtf good faith was as a real thing in business between businesses and internally between colleagues. As bret and vkm were colleagues. Now with added experience even going to Montreal. Vkm was so wrong and instead of doing all this. He should have been as real as he was when he first told bret he could not pay him. Yet since titan was affected with goblinism and clitism. Plus, flair's style of politics also raised the bar. That mixed bag kicked down the slippery slope. helped to aid all this in that social and business cycle at that time. if vkm would have actually brushed up on the keys in business his father said he was lacking. None of this would have occurred.


art barr

 

[GOAT]

House show numbers and ratings doubled when HBK won the title so how did he bomb as champ?

You realize these numbers are available online, right? WWE Monday Night Raw Television Ratings | 2xzone.com

Average rating during Bret's reign immediately preceding Shawn's reign: 2.7
Average rating during Shawn's first reign: 2.6

"Doubled"

If you're gonna lie, make sure it's about something that can't easily be looked up.

 

[dh86]

House show numbers and ratings doubled when HBK won the title so how did he bomb as champ?

I was at the house show Warrior no showed and me and all the kids were there for Warrior, not Shawn. HBK almost killed the company after Warrior left

 

[supertrekker]

House show numbers and ratings doubled when HBK won the

I was at the house show Warrior no showed and me and all the kids were there for Warrior, not Shawn. HBK almost killed the company after Warrior left

Warrior still drew dimes in 96 when others were saying he failed as champion. There's a reason why Vince gave him a big contract knowing he was unpredictable.

 

[Roid Jones]

Just wondering. I got respect for Hitgoat but...

Everytime i see old clips and docs, he's the only one who really felt like he was playing a real sport.

But now, he just old somewhere like the rest of his peers and somewhat forgotten


Meanwhile Austin still relevant with 3:16 day and Rock got a tv show.

His legacy as a wrestling great is cemented and respect is given

 

[Jim Cornette]

I don’t think he should have lost at SummerSlam 91

But why was the KOTR built around Bret in 93?

The whole purpose of KOTR is to catapult someone to the world title picture

Bret is literally the only KOTR ever that went from world champ to KOTR. You even said yourself they had a whole tournament built around making Bret look strong after he just came off a world title reign with several people on the roster who needed that more than he did

Y’all don’t even realize y’all just further proving my point

And it’s one thing for Bret to be built strong and win most of his matches which I’m not saying shouldn’t have happened. It’s a whole other thing for him to not give anyone a clean win over him that wasn’t his family member.

Name one person in WWF Bret took a clean loss to in the 90s that wasn’t his family member. He was in WWF for almost 8 years in the 90s, why is it so hard for y’all to name one person?

Stop the emotional outbursts and just name one person he gave a clean victory to his last 8 years in WWF. Bret cared about making Bret look strong a hell of a lot more than he cared bout the wrestling business itself.

Davey Boy at SummerSlam


The patriot


Psycho sid

 

[BrehWyatt]

Call it cringe when a person takes his job -- which has kept a roof over his head since he was born -- seriously.

Now, perhaps he took HIMSELF too seriously but there's nothing wrong with taking the job seriously.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

The reason it's not cringey it's cause someone like him added to the well from where you and I draw the suspension of disbelief for all wrestling

So it's easy to shyt on him after the fact and take him from granted years later but he's part of the DNA of wrestling

Like yeah a caveman throwing spears at some dumb animal didn't play the cool music you listen to or invent computers but he's part of the structure of humanity that got us this far

 

[stro]

I don’t think he should have lost at SummerSlam 91

But why was the KOTR built around Bret in 93?

The whole purpose of KOTR is to catapult someone to the world title picture

Bret is literally the only KOTR ever that went from world champ to KOTR. You even said yourself they had a whole tournament built around making Bret look strong after he just came off a world title reign with several people on the roster who needed that more than he did

Y’all don’t even realize y’all just further proving my point

And it’s one thing for Bret to be built strong and win most of his matches which I’m not saying shouldn’t have happened. It’s a whole other thing for him to not give anyone a clean win over him that wasn’t his family member.

Name one person in WWF Bret took a clean loss to in the 90s that wasn’t his family member. He was in WWF for almost 8 years in the 90s, why is it so hard for y’all to name one person?

Stop the emotional outbursts and just name one person he gave a clean victory to his last 8 years in WWF. Bret cared about making Bret look strong a hell of a lot more than he cared bout the wrestling business itself.

It was built around Bret because Vince, the guy who picked Bret to be the guy going forward, wanted to make sure the audience knew that Bret was the real top guy and best in the ring despite Hogan pulling his bullshyt. It was not used as a springboard to the title picture until the next year and never had been used that way prior in the non televised versions. It had previously been used as a way to either give guys king gimmicks and feuds (like Harley, Macho, Duggan) or give strong workers who otherwise weren't in the title picture some kind of big achievement (DiBiase, Macho again, Tito, Bret in 1991). Bret was a top guy. Top guys rarely ever have clean loses. You can count clean losses of ever top guy, especially top face, in WWE on one hand during their runs.


Hogan had 1 in his 10 year run and kicked out at 3 and tried to steal the spotlight immediately after.

Warrior never had a clean loss his entire WWE (and WCW) career.

Bruno literally never had a clean loss.

Shawn never had a clean loss as a face. He had all of one clean loss even as a heel main eventer in his first run.

Austin had one, debatably two clean losses his entire run as a top face up to WM 19. And one clean loss as a heel.

How many Taker matches did he lose at all without extreme fukkery until the past decade? Dude didn't even do a clean job to Brock in HIAC in 2002.

Rock dropped a lot of falls for a top guy, but almost none of them clean.

John Cena might have the most clean losses of any top guy in WWE history, actually.