Is it cringey how serious Bret Hart took wrasslin?

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How can you validate putting someone over the raven haired golden boi from stampede on the titan roster tho.

You still do not understand booking and quality of product.
as it pertains to the book and card.

You talking like vkm was cool. Vkm buried everybody purposefully in wwf as a mantra. So,....again...given the progression of the stampede titan relationship. How are you going to validate.
putting someone over the golden boi. Plus said golden boi is ARGUEBALY visually inring before macho showed up. The most viscious meanest motherfukker on all of national television. Plus is the best heel on the roster easy. It was nobody more evil on tv.
till macho hopped off with a ringbell on steamboat.
(Nwa was not even on channell sixty six yet.)


Just how are you validating putting on the book sheet. Hart jobs to such and such. On a neutered workrate card.
purposefully made to bury and damage.
all the non stampede titan connected talent on purpose.

Like i said. I do not think you understand the dynamic of booking. Especially in regard to the titan stampede partnership at that exact time.


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Bret literally did not put anyone over who wasn’t in his own family :gucci:

You telling me there was no one in the late 80s to late 90s who wasn’t worthy of beating Bret Hart? :stopitslime:
 

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Bret literally did not put anyone over who wasn’t in his own family :gucci:

You telling me there was no one in the late 80s to late 90s who wasn’t worthy of beating Bret Hart? :stopitslime:

On the trash workrate neutered card of the wwf.

No.
Plus vkm did not understsnd quality of worker or workrate at all whatsoever.
Plus you just as vkm. Do not understand the effect the goblin longlasting had on the wwe perception. That led to why bret was the only one left on card.
who could work at a high rate under this purposefully degrading burial low quality workrate based conditions consistently in play.


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On the trash workrate neutered card of the wwf.

No.
Plus vkm did not understsnd quality of worker or workrate at all whatsoever.
Plus you just as vkm. Do not understand the effect the goblin longlasting had on the wwe perception. That led to why bret was the only one left on card.
who could work at a high rate under this purposefully degrading burial low quality workrate based conditions consistently in play.


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Breh u sound foolish right now

Yokozuna wasn’t worthy of beating Bret clean?

HBK?

Taker?

Razor?

Bret was a straight up mark for himself that gave 0 fukks about the business and would jeopardize the business to protect his win loss record
 

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Breh u sound foolish right now

Yokozuna wasn’t worthy of beating Bret clean?

HBK?

Taker?

Razor?

Bret was a straight up mark for himself that gave 0 fukks about the business and would jeopardize the business to protect his win loss record


You trying to overrate workers bret was better than easily.
Are you a clique mark or are you a smart?

You sat there and posted workers.
bret had to dial back and carry to work with.

Stop.

I can tell you do not rant matches.
If you did.

You would not be so stuck right now.
nikka gon say generic hogun 80's outdated villain.
That was goblin based trash.
Hogun in dark tights
Outdated biter hotstuff gimmick.
that is nowhere near what a real high quality flywr is in that era
Yet overrated because of a low purposeful workrate at titan. Man,......stop.


Are you white?
You sure trying to troll on some hidden clit shyt.


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Not the first to say it (and I'm not getting into the "putting people over" shyt) but why would a performer not want to take their profession seriously. Entertaining, through whatever medium, is a craft :stopitslime:

I guess there's a lot of folk who are good at what they do taking the "work hard and say it's easy" approach but Bret is a serious guy
 

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Only thing cringy really was him refusing to lose the belt in Montreal. Montreal is a 37 hour drive from Calgary. He act like it's his hometown. That's like a nikka from California saying he won't lose a belt in Buffalo because he's an "American hero". In retrospect, that was dumb.

I understand it was more because Shawn said he wouldn't lose to him, but who gives a fukk. He was about to get 9 Ms from WCW. I would've lost in 3 seconds if they asked me to. Who gives a fukk.
 

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No Ones shytting On Bret For Taking His Job Seriously

But When You’re A 60 Year Old Man Who Probably Lays Awake At Night Cause Vince Asked You To Put Over A Guy On On A House Show In 1993 You Cone Across As Pathetic

A lot Of Wrestlers Take The Business Very Serious Without Coming Across As Bitter And Pathetic
 

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There ain't many sunny days in the profession of wrestling. Too much politics bts that can destroy you physically, as well as mentally (probably more mentally). There's other variables in Bret's case that's touched on by others in this thread. I understand how someone can be as serious as Bret was with this shyt. Especially back then when if you didn't stand up/look out for yourself you got walked all over. I will say, Bret does come off as a tight ass sometimes :dame:But i would say it's because 1) he doesn't really ever budge on his principals, 2) he vey much prefers
professionalism (and believes hard work, and a good attitude should pay off/high reward when in wrestling it often doesn't), and 3) his rival was his polar opposite, making Bret seem even more serious than what he was in comparison.
 
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He definitely did in ways that bordered on too much, but I would way rather have guys like him than guys that don't care at all.

And I find Hall/Nash more cringy, pretending they are too cool to care when they obviously do.

I think so much of the perception of Bret taking himself seriously stems from SS97.... it surprises me how many people have sided with Vince over the years. If you listen to interviews, it was never about losing in Canada, it was about Shawn saying he would never put him over. It was about losing to a guy who didn't respect him and wouldn't return the favor. And had some degree of creative control in his contract.

I'm on board with anyone who stands up to Vince. So much "respect" and "honoring traditions" shyt that only goes one way in that company.
 

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No... it's cringey how he took the onscreen wrestling character "Bret The Hitman Hart" too seriously.

It's his craft, he grew up in it, his family was defined by it. Of course he'd take wrestling seriously. It's not something he started doing because football didn't work out or because he didn't wanna get a "real job". He's actually proud of his accomplishments and his success in wrestling, as he should be.

But the only time he loses me is when he gets into that stuff about being a hero and his image and all of that... it's almost like he forgot to have fun with it. And it seems the older he got, the more critical he became and after awhile it's like gotdamn, laugh a little bit sometimes. As debatably messed up as the whole Screwjob shyt was, to still be mad about it even after you've shaken hands with the people involved and said you were ready to move along, is the kinda stuff that'll kill you early.
 
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He definitely did in ways that bordered on too much, but I would way rather have guys like him than guys that don't care at all.

And I find Hall/Nash more cringy, pretending they are too cool to care when they obviously do.

I think so much of the perception of Bret taking himself seriously stems from SS97.... it surprises me how many people have sided with Vince over the years. If you listen to interviews, it was never about losing in Canada, it was about Shawn saying he would never put him over. It was about losing to a guy who didn't respect him and wouldn't return the favor. And had some degree of creative control in his contract.

I'm on board with anyone who stands up to Vince. So much "respect" and "honoring traditions" shyt that only goes one way in that company.
Na fukk that. Bret was leaving and still wanted to be booked to be invincible. This man spent two whole years absolutely burying HBK (the top guy) every chance he got. Buried the company publicly his entire last year in it and still wanted guys to do jobs to him even tho he was leaving for the biggest contract in wrestling at the time. Like others have said, it’s not about taking the business too seriously, it’s about taking himself too seriously
 

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Just wondering. I got respect for Hitgoat but...

Everytime i see old clips and docs, he's the only one who really felt like he was playing a real sport.

But now, he just old somewhere like the rest of his peers and somewhat forgotten


Meanwhile Austin still relevant with 3:16 day and Rock got a tv show.

:yeshrug:
Brett Hart is still alive and breathing. The rest of those steroid taking dudes are 6 feet under. Austin is the man and all that, but don’t forget it was Brett who opened the door for a more serious style, and it was Brett Hart who helped put Austin on.

My only thing with Brett Hart is the crazy I can’t lose in Canada thing. That’s just crazy. What if Shawn Michael’s was like I’m not losing in the US. He should have jus came out and said he didn’t want to lose to HBK cause he hated his guts.
 
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Not the first to say it (and I'm not getting into the "putting people over" shyt) but why would a performer not want to take their profession seriously. Entertaining, through whatever medium, is a craft :stopitslime:

I guess there's a lot of folk who are good at what they do taking the "work hard and say it's easy" approach but Bret is a serious guy

It's because wrestling always has and always will be a carney business. Especially in Bret's prime years many wrestlers had weird personalities outside of the ring so wrestlers in general were never taken seriously.
 

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Everyone just ignores that Bret had a stroke and it changed his personality for the rest of his life. Of course he sounds bitter, look at all the shyt that happened to him over about 5 years: His boss who was also a father figure repeatedly lies to him about a contract and then fukks him over in public so to not honor said contract, he goes to WCW and is a shell of himself and frequently injured, his brother dies live at a show and the same boss that fukked him over continues the show, a few months later he gets kicked in the head so hard he has to retire, he's fired via FedEx by WCW, he has a stroke that left him in a wheelchair and half his body paralyzed for months, both parents die.

But really it's the stroke more than anything. If you've ever had a family member have a stroke, you know it can change a person completely or ramp up their worst traits.
 
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