Is Dr. Dre at the root of all the destructive trends in rap? EDIT: Just the music, not the ills of the Black community

[Child_Of_God]

That's not the question.

What I’m saying is that Dre didn’t started it, You had rappers making that type of music before him like Schoolly D, Ice-T and even KRS-One before his friend got killed.

 

[3rdWorld]

I used to blame him as well..

 

[Low End Derrick]

 

[FeverPitch2]

Is he to blame for todays current male rappers dressing up like nothing but a she thing out here? He did it first.

Somebody brought this up already.
And the answer is no.
Old school rappers were dressing in wild stage costumes before Dre.
Run-DMC was notable because they actually dressed like b-boys and bucked that trend, eventually ending it.

Wreckin Cru wasn't really hip-hop, per se.
They existed in that time where hip-hop was still considered a form of dance music.
The East Coast separated hip hop into its own thing long before the West Coast did.
The West Coast was behind the curve and were using hip-hop elements like rapping, drum machines, breakdancing, and turntablism to make dance music.
The South was even further behind the curve. They made hybrid dance rap well into the 90's.


That's why Dre's early rap beats are basically slowed down dance beats and the reason why this was on Straight Outta Compton

 

[FeverPitch2]

What I’m saying is that Dre didn’t started it, You had rappers making that type of music before him like Schoolly D, Ice-T and even KRS-One before his friend got killed.

I said that earlier in the thread.

 

[FeverPitch2]

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[FeverPitch2]

The white man is the root. The white man is the root of every ill of Black America

But yall want to be comfortable and blame Dre. Blame Durk. Have the same conversations yall always have. Nothing will change

You're in here just talking to hear yourself and not even on topic.
Now that the sensitive old head contingent has chimed in to let us know how hurt their feelings are, can we actually discuss the topic?

 

[FeverPitch2]

The prison industrial complex.

Expound, sir.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

This cop out has already been debunked, friend.

Yeah. You lost me. Sorry.

 

[voltronblack]

No because all of that stuff was happening if anything they opened the world's eyes to what was going on.

If you want to blame someone blame the government for selling drugs to fund their wars

Your right that

In August 1996, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb stunned the world with a series of articles in the San Jose Mercury News reporting the results of his year-long investigation into the roots of the crack cocaine epidemic in America, specifically in Los Angeles. The series, titled “Dark Alliance,” revealed that for the better part of a decade, a Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to Los Angeles street gangs and funneled millions in drug profits to the CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contras.

Gary Webb pushed his investigation even further in his book, Dark Alliance: The CIA, The Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion. Drawing from then newly declassified documents, undercover DEA audio and videotapes that had never been publicly released, federal court testimony, and interviews, Webb demonstrates how our government knowingly allowed massive amounts of drugs and money to change hands at the expense of our communities.

Webb’s own stranger-than-fiction experience is also woven into the book. His excoriation by the media—not because of any wrongdoing on his part, but by an insidious process of innuendo and suggestion that in effect blamed Webb for the implications of the story—had been all but predicted. Webb was warned off doing a CIA expose by a former Associated Press journalist who lost his job when, years before, he had stumbled onto the germ of the “Dark Alliance” story. And though Internal investigations by both the CIA and the Justice Department eventually vindicated Webb, he had by then been pushed out of the Mercury News and gone to work for the California State Legislature Task Force on Government Oversight. He died in 2004.

 

[FeverPitch2]

Yeah. You lost me. Sorry.

Have a good night, breh.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Expound, sir.

I don't have receipts but you really think with the history this country has it was just going to leave everyone alone.

A lot of prisons are private. That means when people commit crimes and are incarcerated someone makes a lot of money each time. Now if you could promote a lifestyle that drives people to commit crimes think about how much money they would make.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Since we're talking NWA this song is relevant

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

You're in here just talking to hear yourself and not even on topic.
Now that the sensitive old head contingent has chimed in to let us know how hurt they're feelings are, can we actually discuss the topic?

No. I'm 26 years old. This topic is shallow and stupid. And the discussions will start and end the way they always do. It gets old. There's no real basis to anything you're saying

The majority of TLR is the same way. I'm really about to put this whole subforum on ignore

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

He played his part but he is not the root. The root IMO are the record labels.

You're thinking too hard for TLR. They don't want to think beyond the surface. Let's analyze Gin And Juice


Dre did more harm to the black community than Reagan