Intregration was the black community's downfall...

[WaveGang]

hmm i think you are going way to far if you are serious, of course MLK is more enticing to white people, but i think MLK was just doing him, and again, its not that the civil rights was movement was wrong, the problem is that there was no actual economic plan beyond integration

but that was black people that fuked up and black that have to correct it, if you start saying its the white man's fault you arent gonna get anywhere

you dont have to delve into conspiracy and insults to critique mlk

refer to my previous post itt

I don't say shyt for shock value, truth is truth. Stop believing what the media has given us, stop believing in the idols the media has given us as black people. This is where we go wrong OVER and OVER again

 

[HollowPoints2]

I dont necessarily believe in totally separating from other races.

After you have thorough knowledge of self,of your own kind and racial dignity has been instilled within ones self then you can go integrate but still retain your race pride,racial dignity and be able to avoid this sub servient inferiority complex that is instilled in most black ppl who wish to be accepted other races.

 

[theworldismine13]

refer to my previous post itt

I don't say shyt for shock value, truth is truth. Stop believing what the media has given us, stop believing in the idols the media has given us as black people. This is where we go wrong OVER and OVER again

i did read your post, its just a conspiracy theory

and i dont believe in idols, in fact my whole point was critiquing the civil rights movement and by that im also critiquing mlk

malcolm x was not perfect either, like i was saying in another thread, his whole islam thing was delusional and he has misguided a lot of black people because of that mistake

 

[WaveGang]

i did read your post, its just a conspiracy theory

and i dont believe in idols, in fact my whole point was critiquing the civil rights movement and by that im also critiquing mlk

malcolm x was not perfect either, like i was saying in another thread, his whole islam thing was delusional and he has misguided a lot of black people because of that mistake

so you gonna tell me who the major funders of the civil rights movement where and then tell me its a conspiracy theory that MLK was put in place to suppress black folk.

conspiracy yes, conspiracy theory no my friend.

I agree with you on X somewhat

 

[The Message]

I'm guessing you need to go research who the main funders of the civil rights movement were/ why MLK was killed.

I'm not in the mood to get into it, you got enough juice to quote me so you should know.

Yup. Fam I believe they killed MLK because he was realizing non violence and inegration were failing ideologies. Martin was very frustrated towards the end of his life. A lot of his later speeches were very fiery. He almost mirrored Malcolm. He realized that economic freedom was our ticket out this mess. They had to kill him at that point. I cant youtube from work, but yall check out his speech. "Where Do We Go From Here?"

 

[theworldismine13]

so you gonna tell me who the major funders of the civil rights movement where and then tell me its a conspiracy theory that MLK was put in place to suppress black folk.

conspiracy yes, conspiracy theory no my friend.

I agree with you on X somewhat

i thought it was well known that that the naacp was funded by whites, and the civil rights movement was funded by white people also and a lot of white people participated in it, is that suppose to be some new information?

ive known that and anybody that has studied civil rights knows that and i dont think there is anything wrong with that to be honest, i think its very important to fight for individual rights and constitutional rights

the problem is when black people confuse civil rights with an actual economic plan, civil rights is neither an economic plan nor an education plan, i put that on black people and black leaders for mixing those things up and its on black leaders and black people to fix that

 

[WaveGang]

i thought it was well known that that the naacp was funded by whites, and the civil rights movement was funded by white people also and a lot of white people participated in it, is that suppose to be some new information?

ive known that and anybody that has studied civil rights knows that and i dont think there is anything wrong with that to be honest, i think its very important to fight for individual rights and constitutional rights

the problem is when black people confuse civil rights with an actual economic plan, civil rights is neither an economic plan nor an education plan, i put that on black people and black leaders for mixing those things up and its on black leaders and black people to fix that

we gonna have to agree to disagree on this one

just for the fact I cba to get into it, as I believe if this was a spoken discussion we'd end up agreeing on many points til we forget what we're disagreeing on.

 

[kuttykartel]

we're in a lot of agreement, i'm just adding an addendum to what you're saying... i don't think what you're proposing will have much affect without addressing what i'm saying...

i'm saying, don't just squander $100 every week getting your hair and nails did at the black owned hair salon... i'm saying, save that money and invest in buying a car at the black owned auto dealership... instead of squandering $30 a week eating pig knuckles from the black owned soul food joint, spend that $30 at the black owned grocery store...

i've lived in detroit long enough to know all the black owned barber shops and hair salons and mega churches haven't helped this community much... people don't move somewhere because there is a soul food place up the street, they move there because there is a hardware store, a grocery store, a good school, people who keep their houses up, etc, etc... i'm saying, let's invest in that... we don't have many black owned grocery stores and hardware stores and auto dealerships in our community... you know why? because we don't spend money on those things.... we spend money on materialistic things... that's why on just about every corner in this city you can find a black owned barber shop or hair salon, etc...

being a slave to a black man is just the same as being a slave to a white man... we have a slave mentality, this is why we live like slaves... i don't just want to change the color of my slave owner, i want to be free period... that means i have to think like a free person...

let's start spending money where that money continues to provide value to the individual black person as well as the black community as a whole... and no, there's nothing wrong with being fresh and showing off some bling... we just shouldn't make that the determining factor for our self worth... our self worth should be rooted in something far deeper than the gold chain we wear or the rims on our suv...

I agree totally fam. A big part of this will be holding these businesses accountable and walking away when they don't further our cause or interests.

I also agree that we shouldn't make bling or clothes the determining factor for our self-worth, but a lot of people do. There is clearly a deeper pathology behind why we have placed our self-worth in places where it can't be measured. Like clothes, being popular/cool, using our sexuality as commodity, being a boss... That ish I listed above only provides a false sense of self-worth but that's another post in itself.

Gaining control of the economical aspect will help to begin building that much needed self confidence and self worth. We have to start somewhere, but it ain't from a place of talking down to people which is how certain lines like "how you gon' spend that money on rims instead of a book" sound to some.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Look at the board of directors of Citizens Trust Bank: Citizens Trust Bank.

Now don't me wrong, we can't place out trust in one place or blindly think that these people will automatically serve our interest because we all look the same. We will have to approach this from an economical prospective. They serve us and our interest, we purchase and spend with them. Same goes with all black businesses.

Oh shyt I remember this bank. My mom had a CD account with them when I was a kid, whatever happened to them?
They used to be off crenshaw, and had a sick gold faceless statue in the front. memories.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

hmmm

Spoiler

Considering after the age of 12, I've always lived in a multicultural environment, currently living abroad. It's sad to say, but after this TM incident, and thinking back during the golden days, I think the OP might be right. It may be time for a bit of segregation. It's sad to say that out loud.

The only problem I have with that is the infiltration. The system will always spy, and always keep tabs, and will always feel the need to fukk with it (80s crack). They just have an issue with a strong black community, not white people, but the system. They feel threatened by it. IF there could be an agreement, it could work in bettering the nation. Let black teachers teach black kids, let black cops patrol their streets, black lawyers and judges. but something about saying that out loud seems regressive rather than progressive. Cant quite put my finger on it. but at the same time I know it would work a lot better than things are now in the urban community. The trust is lost with outsiders.

 

[FreshABM]

Yup. Fam I believe they killed MLK because he was realizing non violence and inegration were failing ideologies. Martin was very frustrated towards the end of his life. A lot of his later speeches were very fiery. He almost mirrored Malcolm. He realized that economic freedom was our ticket out this mess. They had to kill him at that point. I cant youtube from work, but yall check out his speech. "Where Do We Go From Here?"

Not that speech but


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[Christie]

Considering after the age of 12, I've always lived in a multicultural environment, currently living abroad. It's sad to say, but after this TM incident, and thinking back during the golden days, I think the OP might be right. It may be time for a bit of segregation. It's sad to say that out loud.

The only problem I have with that is the infiltration. The system will always spy, and always keep tabs, and will always feel the need to fukk with it (80s crack). They just have an issue with a strong black community, not white people, but the system. They feel threatened by it. IF there could be an agreement, it could work in bettering the nation. Let black teachers teach black kids, let black cops patrol their streets, black lawyers and judges. but something about saying that out loud seems regressive rather than progressive. Cant quite put my finger on it. but at the same time I know it would work a lot better than things are now in the urban community. The trust is lost with outsiders.

I agree with having black teachers teach to black kids, which is what I'm doing. My only problem is that I'm teaching to the loooooooow blacl kids that aren't well behaved nor take their education seriously. Its a mess

 

[mc_brew]

I agree with having black teachers teach to black kids, which is what I'm doing. My only problem is that I'm teaching to the loooooooow blacl kids that aren't well behaved nor take their education seriously. Its a mess

this makes me sad to read... not you, just the whole situation.... i bet the biggest problem is these kids probably just have a learning style the system was specifically designed not to cater to... that and parents who don't see any value in education....

 

[Tommy Knocks]

this makes me sad to read... not you, just the whole situation.... i bet the biggest problem is these kids probably just have a learning style the system was specifically designed not to cater to... that and parents who don't see any value in education....

I blame the parents. So many useless parents, single moms, probably had them at the tender age of 19. The kind that would twerk on WSHH with the kid right in the room, never read their child a bed time story. The child probably never seen the parent pick up a damn book themselves.

 

[theworldismine13]

Considering after the age of 12, I've always lived in a multicultural environment, currently living abroad. It's sad to say, but after this TM incident, and thinking back during the golden days, I think the OP might be right. It may be time for a bit of segregation. It's sad to say that out loud.

The only problem I have with that is the infiltration. The system will always spy, and always keep tabs, and will always feel the need to fukk with it (80s crack). They just have an issue with a strong black community, not white people, but the system. They feel threatened by it. IF there could be an agreement, it could work in bettering the nation. Let black teachers teach black kids, let black cops patrol their streets, black lawyers and judges. but something about saying that out loud seems regressive rather than progressive. Cant quite put my finger on it. but at the same time I know it would work a lot better than things are now in the urban community. The trust is lost with outsiders.

well i think you should be wary of that too, segregation isnt a real plan anymore than integration is, and we already have segregation in a lot of black cities with black teachers, principles, mayors and police

in some places it kinda works like atlanta, most places it doesnt work like detroit and DC

IMO the issue is black culture and how we define ourselves, we have to somehow (dont ask me how) shift the culture to be more academically oriented and more business oriented, we need more ways to identify being black aside from being a "real nikka" and to expand our world so that academics and entrepreneurialism as a definition of being black