Intregration was the black community's downfall...

[emoney]

I think most of the cats that benefited from the movement and left the community initially, didn't even actively participate in the civil rights movement

I can definitely agree with this. (Even though I have no real proof or evidence)

What do you think about the "great migration" of African-Americans out of the south and up into mid-west and east coast cities?

The Great Migration was the movement of 6 million African Americans out of the rural Southern United States to the Northeast, Midwest, and West for most of the 20th century. Some historians differentiate between the first Great Migration (1910–1930), numbering about 1.6 million migrants who left mostly rural areas to migrate to northern and midwestern industrial cities, and, after a lull during the Great Depression, a Second Great Migration (1940 to 1970), in which 5 million or more people moved, including many to California and other western cities.

Between 1910 and 1970, blacks moved from 14 states of the South, especially Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas to the other three cultural (and census-designated) regions of the United States. More townspeople with urban skills moved during the second migration.[1] By the end of the Second Great Migration, African Americans had become an urbanized population. More than 80 percent lived in cities. A majority of 53 percent remained in the South, while 40 percent lived in the North and 7 percent in the West

not to be a conspiracy theorist BUT do you think they promoted this to disperse the African-American population across the country rather than have us all concentrated heavily in the south as a way of weakening us.

 

[WaveGang]

shyt why you think they took out the BPP/ Malcolm X

they were actually saying/ doing real shyt

 

[WaveGang]

the civil rights movement was carried through the naacp and other groups

that were funded by individuals private funding,


In 1905, a group of 32 prominent, outspoken African-Americans met to discuss the challenges facing "people of color" in the U.S. and possible strategies and solutions. Because hotels in the U.S. were segregated, the men convened, under the leadership of Harvard scholar W.E.B. DuBois, at a hotel situated on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls. As a result, the group came to be known as the Niagara Movement. A year later, three whites joined the group: journalist William E. Walling; social worker Mary White Ovington; and Jewish social worker Henry Moscowitz. Other early Jewish co-founders included Julius Rosenthal, Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch and Rabbi Stephen Wise.

The white people and Jews who first joined the NAACP.

This was always in their interests

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

I agree with the points in this thread but unfortunately I don't see this happening. When I look at other communities (Asian, Indian) I see cultures willing to make sacrifices and work as a family to run businesses. Arabs intrigue me the most because they are demonized in American society, yet that hasn't stopped them from setting up businesses and strong communities. I lived in Jamaica Queens for a while and I witnessed firsthand how Arabs came into an area and set up stores, banks and an entire community. It got to the point where the local Chinese stores were all halal and the grocery stores no longer sold pork.

At the end of the day modern day black americans lack the trust and willingness to make sacrifice. If you are willing to make this sacrifice then I suggest attempting to shop only at black owned businesses. This is a slow movement starting and I have an article from a family who did it for a year.

A Year of Shopping Only at Black Businesses | Mother Jones

 

[kuttykartel]

diverting funds to black owned businesses/institutions is a start. we need to brainstorm real ideas for creating wealth for the everyday black family. the people living paycheck to paycheck. what does that mean? better financial practices. black people as a whole spend more of their total income than any other group of people. basically we need to be more fiscally responsible with spending and savings.

i agree with voting power. many blacks are disenfranchised with voting though. i can't really blame them because republicans have done a great job consolidating minority votes into areas that diminish the power of our votes. we do have to acknowledge that other races support some of the same principles and causes we do. we need to find a way to collaborate where it makes sense to improve our voting power and impact the issues that matter to us.

also we have to acknowledge that we have to invest our own time and energy in our own communities. i mean blacks confronting our family issues (parenthood), educational issues, creating realistic goals. don't believe that bullsh1t about the only way to get out of the hood is to be an entertainer, rapper, athlete, etc. nothing wrong with aspiring to be a cpa, certified nurse, court recorder. these are real occupations that are attainable without needing a lot of financial backing.

i think we're on the same page though. just need more people to think the same, lead by example, and not fall victim to the pitfalls and traps set for us. easier said than done, but the conversation is a start. 

I totally agree, glad we on the same page.

 

[kuttykartel]

like what?

Glad you asked. This requires a movement, my man.

So here comes the real question. How do you brothas and sistas feel about making something happen for real? We can keep talking in this thread or we can make some moves. I think we need to do the following to spark a movement:

1. Come up with a common name, some way to identify us and show that you are down with the movement. Also, commit yourselves. What I'm proposing will take some work, but we spend so much time on bullsh1t, all we have to do spend a little bit of THAT time on something real.

2. Research some black owned banks to communicate our goals to - we have some highly educated folks on this very board that can help us with getting the message out - Including myself and i already have some ideas to get started. Spread the message and then pick a good time to begin moving our money.

3. Get some black businesses on board and communicate our goals. Spread the message some more and start pledging to spend our money there. Put the bug in your friends ears too. Spread the message.

4. HOLD THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE (BLACK BANKS AND BUSINESSES), THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. WE CAN"T BLINDLY TRUST ANYBODY, THIS IS ECONOMICS BABY. WE NEED TO MOVE OUR MONEY IF THE PEOPLE WHO WE ARE SPENDING MONEY WITH DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR ISSUES OR AGENDA. WE HAVE OUR OWN INTERNAL STANDARDS AND WE CAN'T BE LAZY ABOUT WATCHING THESE PEOPLE WITH AN EAGLE EYE

Black capitalism is still capitalism.

If any ol kinda of bullsh1t can go viral in a matter of days, then this can too.

 

[kuttykartel]

we had to integrate to a certain extent or many of things we have access to and many of our most successful people would have never been able to be successful... i agree we should not have completed integrated... we should always have our own institutions as well, just like white people have their own institutions....

more importantly, or at least of equal importance is what we do with our resources... is it better to buy organic vegetables and fruits from a white man or to buy potato chips and pop from a black man? ... what we're investing our resources in is as important as who we invest in... plenty of clothing shops pop up in the black community and many of them are successful... but is it better to invest $200 in a fly outfit so one can look good to a bunch of tricks, or take that $200 and invest it in something that will grow in value down the line?

snakes come in all colors and a fool and his money is soon departed... trust me, a black man will take your money just like a white man will... we can't talk about just having our own institutions and self sufficiency if we don't talk about the type of foundation that should support that self sufficiency....

This is true. But money talks and bullsh1t walks. We have enough buying power as a people to make businesses work for our dollars. We just need to organize. Hell, I don't even care about what you are spending your hard earned money on - $200 for a pair of fly sneaks or clothes? Do you fam - just spend that money at a black owned business instead.

We are a multi-faceted group and I understand we have intellectuals, street pharmacists, real pharmacists, lawyers, hood nuggas all under our umbrella. But....they can still participate in this movement. Certain types of people won't be so materialistic once they put stuff in perspective, but some will and that's ok too.

 

[kuttykartel]

I agree with the points in this thread but unfortunately I don't see this happening. When I look at other communities (Asian, Indian) I see cultures willing to make sacrifices and work as a family to run businesses. Arabs intrigue me the most because they are demonized in American society, yet that hasn't stopped them from setting up businesses and strong communities. I lived in Jamaica Queens for a while and I witnessed firsthand how Arabs came into an area and set up stores, banks and an entire community. It got to the point where the local Chinese stores were all halal and the grocery stores no longer sold pork.

At the end of the day modern day black americans lack the trust and willingness to make sacrifice. If you are willing to make this sacrifice then I suggest attempting to shop only at black owned businesses. This is a slow movement starting and I have an article from a family who did it for a year.

A Year of Shopping Only at Black Businesses | Mother Jones

Thanks fam - I am willing to do this. I want other folks to do the same. We can push these businesses to be better by empowering them AND holding them accountable.

 

[MewTwo]

Wow did this idiot just blame capitalism? ....le sigh

 

[kuttykartel]

Wow did this idiot just blame capitalism? ....le sigh

So breh, aside from calling me names and not reading my post in full....

What do you actually think was the downfall?

P.S. I will freely admit that the actual economic theory of capitalism in itself was not the downfall. It was the effects of capitalism on our community during a crossroads in our cultural development in the US. I'll expound more upon that if I get an indication from you that you want actual discourse and are not just throwing out non sequiturs.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the Civil Rights movement but we should've stopped at equal rights and protection under the law. I fully agree with the laws and amendments that came out of that movement. But...we shouldn't have begged to intregate into white society. That's where we fukked up. The Black Power Movement was our chance to get economically independent, which we can all agree is what we need the most. The realest freedom we can aspire to in this country.

During that time frame (Black Power in the 1960s) we started to come into our own and form a viable culture. Black banks, political movements, black entertainment successfully reaching the masses, ect. We were gaining ground in this society. Creating a meaningful self sustaining culture.
So what happened?

Capitalism brehs. We started making the American dream our dream. A dream that was never designed for us. We had our own dreams to aspire to. We became trend setters, but instead of captializing off of our own sh1t, we chose to beg for acceptance in a community that never pretended to love or accept us. Still continues to this day. We gave them power by working within their framework instead of forming our own. But I didn't say all this to state the obvious. We can still fix this sh1t...

A lot of nikkas need to read this and then re-read this and then re-read it again until it makes sense to them.

Absolute truth.

 

[kuttykartel]

A lot of nikkas need to read this and then re-read this and then re-read it again until it makes sense to them.

Absolute truth.

Preciate that breh.

 

[kuttykartel]

All this "offense" but no "defense" who/ what is going to protect us?

Same thing as before. We protect ourselves. This was a big part of the black power movement. We make these gun laws work for us.

Think about it, nobody is being protected for real for real. I got profiled on July 4th for driving a car that cops thought was too good for me. Of course I went free cause it was my car, but it made me wonder. What kind of free time did this cop have to pull me over? (no moving or parking violation, a chick was just getting some coffee at QT) Didn't he have some real crime to fight or some citizens to protect?



What I'm really trying to say is: who is protecting us now? We should always being on the defensive when it comes to protecting ourselves and family. We just need to add our community as a whole to that equation. We need to protect each other. Have our own neighborhood watches.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

Although the The Black Bourgeoisie predates integration.

Integration lead to the Black Bourgeoisie hybrids of today.

Dr Umar Johnson | The Black Bourgeoisie | GMOGMedia Interview - YouTube

 

[kuttykartel]

Although the The Black Bourgeoisie predates integration.

Integration lead to the Black Bourgeoisie hybrids of today.

Dr Umar Johnson | The Black Bourgeoisie | GMOGMedia Interview - YouTube

I agree with this. But there are way more who are NOT black bourgeoisie, then there are actual black bourgeoisie. We don't need to make this an us against them kinda thing. I still think that we can make this movement work - with or without them.