Intregration was the black community's downfall...

[No Sleep]

 

[gho3st]

- Welfare was originally designed to help poor whites at one point over half the whites in this country were on welfare , blacks then qualified for welfare and that's when got the taboo status is has now , in order to get these white off welfare( and increase the gap between poor whites and blacks) and encourage the largest economic boom in the country the G.I bill was enacted.

RACE - History - Post-War Economic Boom and Racial Discrimination

African Americans and the G.I. Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill

a little know fact about welfare when it first started to "benefit" blacks is that a black women that was found to be living with a black man would lose all her welfare benefits. It was so crazy at point that the white case workers would spy on black women and or question there children, any mention of man bam your lost your benefits, which more often than not is what these women and there survived on.

Black men were not given jobs, you think the economic climate is tough now? Just imagine not being able to find a job at all no matter what you did or how you where educated. How were you going to take care of your family. The jobs they did decided to give you were paying so low that you could barely feed yourself , never mind support a family on, hence the women HAD to go on welfare and the man was displaced from the home.

The destruction of blacks had been a very well thought out and systematic plan, none of this happened by accident.

The weirdest part for me is how the percentage of black americans (13%) has practically stayed the same over the years.

 

[newarkhiphop]

The weirdest part for me is how the percentage of black americans (13%) has practically stayed the same over the years.

how about this to blow your mind

Another finding of the study is that the distribution of benefits no longer aligns with the demography of poverty. African-Americans, who make up 22 percent of the poor, receive 14 percent of government benefits, close to their 12 percent population share.
White, who make up 42 percent of the poor, receive 69 percent of government benefits – again, much closer to their 64 percent population share.

Who Benefits From the Safety Net - NYTimes.com


this is article from last year, but these people would have you believe it the blacks and Mexicans "leaching" from the government

 

[kuttykartel]

Good thread, and unfortunately not the first time i have seen it made or spoke about this subject. There are two discussion going on right now from what i have read. Black integration and Economic independence.

I disagree with the point about black integration, i feel that integration is something that would have happened no matter what road black independence would have gone down, and although it sounds like a very noble idea end of the day your are not going to have two society's ( a black one / the rest ) operating under one flag , simply not going to happen. In my opinion where blacks made the biggest mistake was becoming complacent at the "end" of the civil rights movement and not continuing the struggle to obtain FULL freedom, half of it is complacency and the other half was the governments eradication of true black leaders. Black leaders who were not only truly influential on a large scale within the black community, but black leaders who were ready to go to WAR. If you read about the climate during the height of the civil rights movements or listen to those tapes of Malcolm X with the FBI you can hear the FEAR in the voice of these white people who were scared of another civil war. A civil war between blacks (& poor whites) vs middle class and rich whites. Read up on the origins of the G.I bill and you'll see what am talking about.

Overall though here is what happened :

- Neutralize black leadership and black movements
- Give blacks a faux sense of victory ( civil rights)
- Come up with a economic plan to destroy blacks (welfare state)
- Come up with a sociological plan to destroy blacks (divide black families)
- Unleash weapons ( drug war + prison industrial complex)


and you arrive at the state of the black community in America today. So yes black economic independence is important but more importantly black need to stop being so complacent no other oppressed group in the world seems to be so happy so to speak living among there oppressors. Look at the Arabs, the Irish , the non Muslim Arabs , the native Americans at one time all the groups where at FULL OUT WAR with there oppressors for decades and in some cases hundreds of years. Yes i know what I am saying may sound radical but trust me if you look at the history of the successful society's anywhere in the world they were all founded and backs of those willing to lay down there lives UNTIL VICTORY.

Anyways that just mt two cent summed up real quick there are obviously many other factors which for the sake of attention i didn't get into.

I agree with most of the points posted above wholeheartedly. I also think that integration was the catalyst. Buying into the American dream as something that we could attain at that time was such a huge distraction that the government was able to:

- Neutralize black leadership and black movements
- Give blacks a faux sense of victory ( civil rights)
- Come up with a economic plan to destroy blacks (welfare state)
- Come up with a sociological plan to destroy blacks (divide black families)
- Unleash weapons ( drug war + prison industrial complex)

This is the only part of your post that I don't agree with:

I disagree with the point about black integration, i feel that integration is something that would have happened no matter what road black independence would have gone down, and although it sounds like a very noble idea end of the day your are not going to have two society's ( a black one / the rest ) operating under one flag , simply not going to happen.

Asians have done it using economic power. So have Jews. Black Americans have a common culture same as them. Hell, I don't want a divided society, I just want a stronger black community.

 

[theworldismine13]

- Welfare was originally designed to help poor whites at one point over half the whites in this country were on welfare , blacks then qualified for welfare and that's when got the taboo status is has now , in order to get these white off welfare( and increase the gap between poor whites and blacks) and encourage the largest economic boom in the country the G.I bill was enacted.

RACE - History - Post-War Economic Boom and Racial Discrimination

African Americans and the G.I. Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill

a little know fact about welfare when it first started to "benefit" blacks is that a black women that was found to be living with a black man would lose all her welfare benefits. It was so crazy at point that the white case workers would spy on black women and or question there children, any mention of man bam your lost your benefits, which more often than not is what these women and there survived on.

Black men were not given jobs, you think the economic climate is tough now? Just imagine not being able to find a job at all no matter what you did or how you where educated. How were you going to take care of your family. The jobs they did decided to give you were paying so low that you could barely feed yourself , never mind support a family on, hence the women HAD to go on welfare and the man was displaced from the home.

The destruction of blacks had been a very well thought out and systematic plan, none of this happened by accident.

the way you are putting things is not correct, this country has always been racist and it has always oppressed blacks, there is nothing particularly racist about the gi bill or welfare as compared to the million other laws passed by congress and the states, there is no mastermind behind this, its simply white people are racist against black people

 

[newarkhiphop]

I agree with most of the points posted above wholeheartedly. I also think that integration was the catalyst. Buying into the American dream as something that we could attain at that time was such a huge distraction that the government was able to:


Asians have done it using economic power. So have Jews. Black Americans have a common culture same as them. Hell, I don't want a divided society, I just want a stronger black community.

I knew you were going to say this , my thought are this.

Asians didn't have to go through slavery and there mother land is very supportive of them when they immigrated here. Its important to remember voluntary immigration and being brought over on boats are two very different things. If thing didn't go well for them here, they went back to there mother country and could have a second option at prospering among THERE people. Blacks have never realistically had that option.

but yes the Asian economic model is noble, but there still operating within a white mans system. End of the day Asian will relate to whites before they do to blacks or Hispanics

As far as jews, there white people. When have know white nations to oppress in large #s other white people? Hitler right? nobody really cared what Hitler was doing in Germany or the surrounding area, not until he started messing with western Europe did the rest of the world care.

 

[The Message]

Unfortunately the civil rights movement focused on the moral issue instead of the economic issue. Slavery and jim crow were most definitely immoral, but the institution of slavery systematically ordained black folks as a subordinated labor force. This country was not founded on morality. It was founded in capitalism. Who is going to control and own what in society. This country was built by us and we were never compensated, even still today. Slaves as property and slave labor bankrolled America and many corporations were founded on our bloodshed - many who exist today, just under different names.

Integration did a number on us. It diluted us. It's a hard pill to swallow and it's not something that is discussed, by us - especially from our elders. Some dont want to admit the failure. Some dont want to be seen as separatists or reverse racits.

When black folks "make it" in America, what does that usually mean? We get a degree....at a white college. We get good job....at a white company. We get a nice house....in a white neighborhood. Our kids go to a good school.....in a white school district. I'm a victim of this. I'll be the first to admit it!!! We separate ourselves from everything black. A physical separation would still be a blow, but if some still maintained a commitment to the community they left behind, it wouldnt be a knockout blow. But that comes with culture and consciousness. Jews have it. Koreans have their own language. Arabs are on the same page. Other groups have something that binds them together aside from their culture - an agenda. My pops raised me and my brothers with a consciousness and knowing our history before slavery, but the agenda was absent.

One says education is the issue. Others say we need to pray more. Some say we need to tighten up on crime. Some say voting is the answer. Poor schools, high crime, drugs, the prison system are all symptoms of a bigger problem. It's like having a fever. Having the chills aint the problem - the infection is the problem. We get rid of the infection and the symptoms cease. Our infection is white supremacy. And we dont practice group economics and dont have a spirt of entrepreneurialism as the antidote. Other cultures are winning by practicing those two concepts. We just have to know how to play the game. One cat told me we need to wait til Jesus comes to save us....

We have to create our own corporations and hire our own. This is a Monopoly game. That's all this shyt is. We gotta start learning how to play this game before we get locked out forever.

One lane that is wide open right now is the internet. More millionaires have been made of the internet in the last few years than there have been over the last few decades. But just getting rich isnt the answer. That revenue needs to come back to the community and build infastructures and resources that can create and sustain a viable economy and a productive neighborhood.

 

[Momentum]

Asians have done it using economic power. So have Jews. Black Americans have a common culture same as them. Hell, I don't want a divided society, I just want a stronger black community.

As long as the money is integrated in our favor, ya'll can have as much Cumbaya as you want.

 

[newarkhiphop]

the way you are putting things is not correct, this country has always been racist and it has always oppressed blacks, there is nothing particularly racist about the gi bill or welfare as compared to the million other laws passed by congress and the states, there is no mastermind behind this, its simply white people are racist against black people

don't start with your nitpicking , am not putting it no way, read those link i put about the G.I, read up on how the middle class as we know it today built in this country it was because of the G.I bill a bill which black veterans were systemically not allowed to fully benefit from. Not saying if they had that all black problems would have been solved, that's foolish.


white people are racist against black people , really dropped a new gem on us.

 

[theworldismine13]

I knew you were going to say this , my thought are this.

Asians didn't have to go through slavery and there mother land is very supportive of them when they immigrated here. Its important to remember voluntary immigration and being brought over on boats are two very different things. If thing didn't go well for them here, they went back to there mother country and could have a second option at prospering among THERE people. Blacks have never realistically had that option.

but yes the Asian economic model is noble, but there still operating within a white mans system. End of the day Asian will relate to whites before they do to blacks or Hispanics

As far as jews, there white people. When have know white nations to oppress in large #s other white people? Hitler right? nobody really cared what Hitler was doing in Germany or the surrounding area, not until he started messing with western Europe did the rest of the world care.

yeah but that is the past, we need to study the past, but going forward in the future and making plans you have to study the way other people have come up economically, that is the point about pointing out what other groups have done

simply crying about being victims isnt gonna to cut it going into the future

we need to sit down and brainstorm and have an open exchange of ideas, in fact ideally by combing things we learn from white, asian, jews etc etc and our own history, we can create an economic and social system that is superior to all that have come before

 

[newarkhiphop]

yeah but that is the past, we need to study the past, but going forward in the future and making plans you have to study the way other people have come up economically, that is the point about pointing out what other groups have done

simply crying about being victims isnt gonna to cut it going into the future

we need to sit down and brainstorm and have an open exchange of ideas, in fact ideally by combing things we learn from white, asian, jews etc etc and our own history, we can create an economic and social system that is superior to all that have come before

powerful post.

 

[theworldismine13]

white people are racist against black people , really dropped a new gem on us.

that's the same thing im saying to you, your gem is that white people passed legislation and applied it in racist way!!!!!! NO WAY YOU GOTTA BE shytTIN ME! Holy shyt i never new that!

i dont consider any of the information posted enlightening, it seems you posted it to accentuate the victimhood of blacks but racist legislation against blacks started with the constitution itself not with the GI bill

its 2013, i dont think wallowing in victimhood is the way forward

 

[feelosofer]

Good thread, and unfortunately not the first time i have seen it made or spoke about this subject. There are two discussion going on right now from what i have read. Black integration and Economic independence.

I disagree with the point about black integration, i feel that integration is something that would have happened no matter what road black independence would have gone down, and although it sounds like a very noble idea end of the day your are not going to have two society's ( a black one / the rest ) operating under one flag , simply not going to happen. In my opinion where blacks made the biggest mistake was becoming complacent at the "end" of the civil rights movement and not continuing the struggle to obtain FULL freedom, half of it is complacency and the other half was the governments eradication of true black leaders. Black leaders who were not only truly influential on a large scale within the black community, but black leaders who were ready to go to WAR. If you read about the climate during the height of the civil rights movements or listen to those tapes of Malcolm X with the FBI you can hear the FEAR in the voice of these white people who were scared of another civil war. A civil war between blacks (& poor whites) vs middle class and rich whites. Read up on the origins of the G.I bill and you'll see what am talking about.

Overall though here is what happened :

- Neutralize black leadership and black movements
- Give blacks a faux sense of victory ( civil rights)
- Come up with a economic plan to destroy blacks (welfare state)
- Come up with a sociological plan to destroy blacks (divide black families)
- Unleash weapons ( drug war + prison industrial complex)


and you arrive at the state of the black community in America today. So yes black economic independence is important but more importantly black need to stop being so complacent no other oppressed group in the world seems to be so happy so to speak living among there oppressors. Look at the Arabs, the Irish , the non Muslim Arabs , the native Americans at one time all the groups where at FULL OUT WAR with there oppressors for decades and in some cases hundreds of years. Yes i know what I am saying may sound radical but trust me if you look at the history of the successful society's anywhere in the world they were all founded and backs of those willing to lay down there lives UNTIL VICTORY.

Anyways that just mt two cent summed up real quick there are obviously many other factors which for the sake of attention i didn't get into.

True stories

I would also like to piggyback on these and also add that over the past 4 or 5 decades, we have been using the wrong measuring sticks in regards to our educational, social and financial standards. We have been using WASP standards and adopting that and that type of thinking even with we achieve that level of success will have no impact on our kids future, leaving them with nothing to build on. Asians, Indians, Africans and even Hispanics have figured this out and we haven't. We need to strive to surpass all the benchmarks set by the 'establishment' for success, and this needs to start at step one when the odds are relatively even, as infants/toddlers. We need to create a culture of success from step one, so we need to reinforce the idea of early education in our communities. My sister, is running for assistant superintendent in her town and she is noticing that in Urban enviroments that most early childhood centers are essentially giant playpens or babysitting factories with education sprinkled. One of my initiatives that I was writing in a letter to Donald Payne Jr. was to try to get funding to establish Montessori schools for young urban chidren, just some alternatives to the glue factory that is education in urban areas.

 

[kuttykartel]

I knew you were going to say this , my thought are this.

Asians didn't have to go through slavery and there mother land is very supportive of them when they immigrated here. Its important to remember voluntary immigration and being brought over on boats are two very different things. If thing didn't go well for them here, they went back to there mother country and could have a second option at prospering among THERE people. Blacks have never realistically had that option.

but yes the Asian economic model is noble, but there still operating within a white mans system. End of the day Asian will relate to whites before they do to blacks or Hispanics

As far as jews, there white people. When have know white nations to oppress in large #s other white people? Hitler right? nobody really cared what Hitler was doing in Germany or the surrounding area, not until he started messing with western Europe did the rest of the world care.

True dat. However, I knew you were going to say this:

Asians didn't have to go through slavery and there mother land is very supportive of them when they immigrated here.

See I don't think this matters. We DID go through slavery and in my eyes that makes this country more ours than anyone's. This is OUR homeland. We just need to support each other. We have to stake our claim, and as I said earlier money talks in this capitalistic society. If we try and fail, how much will we really lose? All that will happen is that we end up right back here where we started. If we succeed we can start talking policy, education...I only see good that can come from this.



However, if we don't try...

 

[kuttykartel]

yeah but that is the past, we need to study the past, but going forward in the future and making plans you have to study the way other people have come up economically, that is the point about pointing out what other groups have done

simply crying about being victims isnt gonna to cut it going into the future

we need to sit down and brainstorm and have an open exchange of ideas, in fact ideally by combing things we learn from white, asian, jews etc etc and our own history, we can create an economic and social system that is superior to all that have come before