Intregration was the black community's downfall...

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being a cliche and everything but it's true: A journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. If you work on you one step at a time to be the best you can be and be a positive influence in your community, that will have a ripple effect which will help influence others to know that they too can work on themselves because you gave them an example of proof it can be done which will then influence the people they know. Before you know it you've created a sort of interconnected web of positivity and self-and-community maximization because you took the initiative to be that positive influence.

If someone says something like political or social change is impossible I just think that's because they gave up. Things might be very difficult and cannot be done overnight or by one person alone, but nothing is impossible with how people choose to live and organize societies, economies, etc. Societal power moves in the direction of whatever interests want it the most. As a white guy, i can also say it's not only about race because obviously i'm not black yet I have an affinity for the plight of the black community and other oppressed racial groups due to my upbringing growing up in a multicultural poor/working class environment surrounded by many races and religions. I get that i have many advantages that blacks don't because my skin colour allows other white people to have an unconscious positive bias towards me and an unconscious (or even conscious) negative bias toward other races and cultures.

Being expansive on race, for example many whites helped blacks to create a political climate which allowed the civil rights movement to have a bigger positive impact than it would have if they didn't participate and feel solidarity with oppressed people. What im saying is it's obviously great for the black community to organize to make themselves better, but i also think a bigger goal that would be helpful to not only one group but everyone would be to help every human being regardless of race, creed, etc. to make themselves and their community better off. That way it helps move people beyond racial conflict to realize more that we're all in this together.

At the end of the day despite the cultural and societal baggage programming us, i'm not a white guy and you're not a black guy. We're just two people having this weird, interesting experience of existing and living on a fukking ball floating in the universe. I think if more people took on this point of view for viewing race relations or differences between people, political conflict would go a lot smoother and more people wouldn't feel so scared or greedy or mean to each other.
you touch on a very important aspect... there are a lot of non-black people in this country who share some similar forms of oppression that we black people rarely reach out to.... there's strength in numbers, and people of lower class have a lot in common when it comes to struggles with education and job opportunities... it's not a bad idea for black people to try to capitalize on those common ills and work together so each group can overcome them... good post....
 

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That's what the point of my post was. My families solution was hard work and school :manny:

nikkas hate to hear that, but it is what it is. My mom is from a town in south carolina that JUST got a Macdonalds 4-5 yrs ago. My dad came to this country with 8 dollars in his pocket. If they heard me preaching about this black nationalism shyt, they'd :russ: in my face.

If I came to my mom and say :pacspit: "Its your fault the black community didn't prosper! You left everyone in your hometown to get your masters at Brooklyn College. You sold us up the river." She'd smack me in the face.

I don't think you nikkas really hear the shyt y'all say sometimes. It sounds great until you run into someone that was really in the struggle. Both of em are living the American dream/black dream, whatever you want to call it, but according to the coli, them not wanting to continue to live in shytty parts of NYC when they had money to move makes em sellouts.

Speaking with older people that understand the struggle, they always always preach accountability. They'll always acknowledge racism, but the first thing they do is also acknowledge their own personal faults. I have not seen one person in this thread actually take accountability for the shortcomings of their own family. We/You are the black community too. Therefore if someone in your family is a fukk up, guess what, THEY ARE THAT PART OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY HOLDING US BACK. I got cousins on my African side that fukk up, and I got cousins on my American side that fukk up. But leave it to y'all, my African side is doing WAAAAAAAY better building the newest database for Google Africa or some shyt.

Like I said, tell us personal stories about how YOUR family is contributing to negative stereotypes of the black community. Its easy to hop on the coli and say "yo lets do some shyt." Its a million times harder to stare your family member in the face and say "you're a disgrace to our people and you're fukkn up the cause."

Fam, me too. School and hard work helped my family too. My mom and pops both have degrees and solid careers. They worked they ass off to make sure I grew safe and with enough of a leg up in this country to succeed. Education and hard work will help you get ahead in life - this is an undisputable truth. Sh1t I have a degree and work in corporate America. But I ain't no damn sellout and neither are my folks, we still stayed in the black neighborhood even if that meant that I could walk outside my suburb and go next door to see my friends in the hood. We kept our taxes in the same community. They still live there to this day.

From the outside looking in, we look like we live the American dream. The reality is, my father and I both got racially profiled by different cops in different counties within the same month of each other.

And yeah, I have some family who fukk up. We all do. I mean, the town where the bulk of my family is from is like a black hole. But most of my fam are educated even if crack and crime got a hold of them BECAUSE education is real important to us. I don't excuse those family members. I know their struggle and THEY fukking know THEIR struggle, ya feel me. From us and from folks that don't even have a clue why they are in the position they are in. Do you honestly think black folks aren't capable of self reflection? I mean, I still don't see an idea for a solution in your post other than running around and telling folks, "you fukked up the community, get like me!" This thread is about doing something, not pointing fingers. The only fault I assigned was to integration for being a weapon of mass distraction during a turning point in our community.
 

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Didn't we integrate because we didn't have the same opportunities as whites?

nikkas need to stfu and put shyt into perspective.



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During that time frame we were making our own opportunities on the economic, education, and political fronts. We wanted equal rights and protection under the law. Read up on the strides that blacks made during that time frame and even before the 60s.
 

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being a cliche and everything but it's true: A journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. If you work on you one step at a time to be the best you can be and be a positive influence in your community, that will have a ripple effect which will help influence others to know that they too can work on themselves because you gave them an example of proof it can be done which will then influence the people they know. Before you know it you've created a sort of interconnected web of positivity and self-and-community maximization because you took the initiative to be that positive influence.

If someone says something like political or social change is impossible I just think that's because they gave up. Things might be very difficult and cannot be done overnight or by one person alone, but nothing is impossible with how people choose to live and organize societies, economies, etc. Societal power moves in the direction of whatever interests want it the most. As a white guy, i can also say it's not only about race because obviously i'm not black yet I have an affinity for the plight of the black community and other oppressed racial groups due to my upbringing growing up in a multicultural poor/working class environment surrounded by many races and religions. I get that i have many advantages that blacks don't because my skin colour allows other white people to have an unconscious positive bias towards me and an unconscious (or even conscious) negative bias toward other races and cultures.

Being expansive on race, for example many whites helped blacks to create a political climate which allowed the civil rights movement to have a bigger positive impact than it would have if they didn't participate and feel solidarity with oppressed people. What im saying is it's obviously great for the black community to organize to make themselves better, but i also think a bigger goal that would be helpful to not only one group but everyone would be to help every human being regardless of race, creed, etc. to make themselves and their community better off. That way it helps move people beyond racial conflict to realize more that we're all in this together.

At the end of the day despite the cultural and societal baggage programming us, i'm not a white guy and you're not a black guy. We're just two people having this weird, interesting experience of existing and living on a fukking ball floating in the universe. I think if more people took on this point of view for viewing race relations or differences between people, political conflict would go a lot smoother and more people wouldn't feel so scared or greedy or mean to each other.

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Then y did we integrate? u tell me

Cause, we had a bunch of fools/c00ns like my aunt who force my mother to go to integrated Boiling Spring High School and get called a c00n, nikka, BLACK MONkEY, ETC and it caused her to lose some self esteem, when she could have continued to go to the black high school and probably would have did a little more with her life and career than she did.
 

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all legal integration means is equal access to the public space. before that, blacks still overwhelmingly worked for white people in menial jobs, and outside of a few locations like tulsa, blacks spent most of their money in white establishments. if a black town got too healthy, the local whites would destroy it. segregation was not protecting us from anything, and any incubative effects it may have had were almost always wiped out by the larger white society.

society is actually not very integrated. most people just live around poeple that look like them. racist housing and hiring practices persist, making black movement to white suburban neighborhoods still somewhat difficult. as a matter of fact, the creation of the suburbs caused more segregation. as blacks went from being country to urban, whites became suburban and let their former cities rot with blacks left holding the proverbial hot potato.

all i could really say for it was that the family structure was better, but that could also be traced to the stronger blue collar labor force making the standard for being an upstanding and productive man lower than it is today.
 

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I've never seen anyone break down Economic problems of Blacks & give solutions like this man. He fluently flows through Laws, Education, & Religion's roles in helping Economics. Please share this with friends.



He also speaks on Reparations. I don't necessarily agree because I think its a pipe dream. :comeon:
 
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