Intregration was the black community's downfall...

[Mikael Blowpiff]

don't start with your nitpicking , am not putting it no way, read those link i put about the G.I, read up on how the middle class as we know it today built in this country it was because of the G.I bill a bill which black veterans were systemically not allowed to fully benefit from. Not saying if they had that all black problems would have been solved, that's foolish.


white people are racist against black people , really dropped a new gem on us.

Breh have you ever read "Master of the Senate"? It's part of a 4(I think it's up to 4 now) part series on the life of LBJ. It goes into detail about how the southern Democratic senators used their status as the most powerful bloc in the Senate in order to block black people and other minorities from gaining any benefits from the New Deal or the G.I Bill.

It's long as fukk tho, like 1200 pages.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Integration isn't the problem per se, we just abandoned our communities to partake in freedoms we didn't have before and never looked back. Look at Asian communities; they are integrated with society as a whole but within their communities you can find banks, groceries, restaurants, and various other small businesses, all Asian owned. That's how integration should have worked for us. Could we get on the track now? Sure, in theory, but it would take a monumental shift in current attitudes and the help of the people who hold the power (whites at the moment) and that is not likely anytime soon. The best we can do is begin the process incrementally as each opportunity presents itself. The professionals and their children who followed white flight since integration went full tilt in the 60s aren't coming back. The new generation of black professionals must come BACK to black communities instead of gentrification yuppies and hipsters. Good luck with that.

 

[maarifajones]

The new generation of black professionals must come BACK to black communities instead of gentrification yuppies and hipsters. Good luck with that.

You nailed it. Moved to NYC to start my career and I have been very disappointed with the black professional scene. People only seem to care about happy hour, brunch and stuntin for the other (few) black professionals.

 

[kuttykartel]

Integration isn't the problem per se, we just abandoned our communities to partake in freedoms we didn't have before and never looked back. Look at Asian communities; they are integrated with society as a whole but within their communities you can find banks, groceries, restaurants, and various other small businesses, all Asian owned. That's how integration should have worked for us. Could we get on the track now? Sure, in theory, but it would take a monumental shift in current attitudes and the help of the people who hold the power (whites at the moment) and that is not likely anytime soon. The best we can do is begin the process incrementally as each opportunity presents itself. The professionals and their children who followed white flight since integration went full tilt in the 60s aren't coming back. The new generation of black professionals must come BACK to black communities instead of gentrification yuppies and hipsters. Good luck with that.

Totally agree with the first half, that is how integration should've worked but ya know, didn't turn out like that.



But I still can't sit around doing nothing. Gotta try fam. I would rather be wrong about this and fail, than sit on the sidelines speaking in hypotheticals. What you said above in the bolded is what I'm trying to do.

You down?

 

[newarkhiphop]

Breh have you ever read "Master of the Senate"? It's part of a 4(I think it's up to 4 now) part series on the life of LBJ. It goes into detail about how the southern Democratic senators used their status as the most powerful bloc in the Senate in order to block black people and other minorities from gaining any benefits from the New Deal or the G.I Bill.

It's long as fukk tho, like 1200 pages.

yup sure did, thats what helped all them poor whites move out of the urban areas (leaving it to blacks and Hispanics) am move into the suburbs , while at the same time denying that right to all the black soliders who fought for america

that and a couple of other things is why i @ black and Hispanics who go or encourage others fight for this country , make your living here yea but dont shed blood for the

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

I'm going to add another point to this thread especially for black people.

Black people have a lack of understanding about Social & Political Economics, Civics and World history outside of what the lies they tell in the public school sector.

Blacks were never considered to be equal in the eyes of the white forefathers of this country. This is why the laws work against us and not for us.

Once we have a better understanding of history as I pointed out we can begin to convey new strategies to reform our culture.

 

[The Message]

I think a lot of people who were coming up in the 60s and 70s as youngins took to heart the aftermath of the civil rights movement: our cities burned after the riots, leaders exiled, jailed and assassinated, activist groups dismantled.

America sent a blatant message to those who attempted to mobilize and I think the youth of that day internalized it which helped form this individualistic mindset we have.

 

[No Sleep]

One thing I think that always hurt blacks was that we don't own land. If blacks owned land lets say had they got the 40 aches and a mule things would have been much more different.

 

[El Bombi]

Black was going in the right direction in the 90's. Once 2000 hit, black people started going back into the wrong direction.

For example, there was so many black movie producers in the 90's. Independent record labels like No Limit.

Today, black people brag about what type of White Anglo-Saxon designer brands they wear. (louis vuitton, Dolce&Gabbana, Polo). While shytting on any black owned brands. IMO is self-hate. In the 90's, black people was supporting black designer brands. I don't care what anybody say, you have to respect Daymond John for staring up a clothing brand from the bottom. Daymond John put all his boys on, while having a network with a childhood friend in LL Cool J. Daymond John created his clothing brand after hearing the racist comment from the owner of Timberland Boots. It's a damn same that black people still wear Timberland Boots and other Anglo-Saxon designer brands that don't give a damn about black people.

If black people want a change. Then we need to start putting more spotlight on people like Daymond John, Robert Townsend, and Percy Miller. Not only did these guys start up their own business, but they also reached out their hands and brought other black people up with them.














Damn, I just went on a rant. Didn't think I was going to type all that.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

we had to integrate to a certain extent or many of the things we have access to we wouldn't have access to and many of our most successful people would have never been able to be successful... i agree we should not have completely integrated... we should always have our own institutions as well, just like white people have their own institutions....

more importantly, or at least of equal importance is what we do with our resources... is it better to buy organic vegetables and fruits from a white man or to buy potato chips and pop from a black man? ... what we're investing our resources in is as important as who we invest in... plenty of clothing shops pop up in the black community and many of them are successful... but is it better to invest $200 in a fly outfit so one can look good to a bunch of tricks, or take that $200 and invest it in something that will grow in value down the line?

snakes come in all colors and a fool and his money is soon departed... trust me, a black man will take your money just like a white man will... we can't talk about just having our own institutions and self sufficiency if we don't talk about the type of foundation that should support that self sufficiency....

Integration isn't the problem per se, we just abandoned our communities to partake in freedoms we didn't have before and never looked back. Look at Asian communities; they are integrated with society as a whole but within their communities you can find banks, groceries, restaurants, and various other small businesses, all Asian owned. That's how integration should have worked for us. Could we get on the track now? Sure, in theory, but it would take a monumental shift in current attitudes and the help of the people who hold the power (whites at the moment) and that is not likely anytime soon. The best we can do is begin the process incrementally as each opportunity presents itself. The professionals and their children who followed white flight since integration went full tilt in the 60s aren't coming back. The new generation of black professionals must come BACK to black communities instead of gentrification yuppies and hipsters. Good luck with that.

These two points are the closest things to reality in this thread. Do I feel that some folks saw fit to purposely make Black American communities worse through drugs, welfare, redlining etc OF COURSE. We already know the ghetto is man made institution.

But the way some of y'all talk is so depressing Y'all make it sound like you don't know anyone who is successful in life. You've pretty much condemned our future as if we're not making steady progress.

Let me clear up two major mistakes done in this thread:
1) I swear y'all feel like every other race is infallible
2) I'm tired of folks making general statements about the failures of the black community, before they speak on the failures of their own families. I'd like to see a new thread done. A real thread that speaks on the fault of integration. Tell us how integration has wronged your family and kept them from personally overcoming the struggle. Why were you able to succeed when others weren't? Tell us how you had to overcome certain government policies etc. This generalizing shyt is for the birds.

 

[kuttykartel]

These two points are the closest things to reality in this thread. Do I feel that some folks saw fit to purposely make Black American communities worse through drugs, welfare, redlining etc OF COURSE. We already know the ghetto is man made institution.

But the way some of y'all talk is so depressing Y'all make it sound like you don't know anyone who is successful in life. You've pretty much condemned our future as if we're not making steady progress.

Let me clear up two major mistakes done in this thread:
1) I swear y'all feel like every other race is infallible
2) I'm tired of folks making general statements about the failures of the black community, before they speak on the failures of their own families. I'd like to see a new thread done. A real thread that speaks on the fault of integration. Tell us how integration has wronged your family and kept them from personally overcoming the struggle. Why were you able to succeed when others weren't? Tell us how you had to overcome certain government policies etc. This generalizing shyt is for the birds.

That sounds like good thread topic. I wanted this thread to be a call to action though. I feel like you got a good head on your shoulders so wade through all the theories and get at the real point of this discussion. I'm about action fam, let's work on solutions in this thread. I feel like you yourself are making a generalization of what this thread is really about.

 

[mson]

Unfortunately the civil rights movement focused on the moral issue instead of the economic issue. Slavery and jim crow were most definitely immoral, but the institution of slavery systematically ordained black folks as a subordinated labor force. This country was not founded on morality. It was founded in capitalism. Who is going to control and own what in society. This country was built by us and we were never compensated, even still today. Slaves as property and slave labor bankrolled America and many corporations were founded on our bloodshed - many who exist today, just under different names.

Integration did a number on us. It diluted us. It's a hard pill to swallow and it's not something that is discussed, by us - especially from our elders. Some dont want to admit the failure. Some dont want to be seen as separatists or reverse racits.

When black folks "make it" in America, what does that usually mean? We get a degree....at a white college. We get good job....at a white company. We get a nice house....in a white neighborhood. Our kids go to a good school.....in a white school district. I'm a victim of this. I'll be the first to admit it!!! We separate ourselves from everything black. A physical separation would still be a blow, but if some still maintained a commitment to the community they left behind, it wouldnt be a knockout blow. But that comes with culture and consciousness. Jews have it. Koreans have their own language. Arabs are on the same page. Other groups have something that binds them together aside from their culture - an agenda. My pops raised me and my brothers with a consciousness and knowing our history before slavery, but the agenda was absent.

One says education is the issue. Others say we need to pray more. Some say we need to tighten up on crime. Some say voting is the answer. Poor schools, high crime, drugs, the prison system are all symptoms of a bigger problem. It's like having a fever. Having the chills aint the problem - the infection is the problem. We get rid of the infection and the symptoms cease. Our infection is white supremacy. And we dont practice group economics and dont have a spirt of entrepreneurialism as the antidote. Other cultures are winning by practicing those two concepts. We just have to know how to play the game. One cat told me we need to wait til Jesus comes to save us....

We have to create our own corporations and hire our own. This is a Monopoly game. That's all this shyt is. We gotta start learning how to play this game before we get locked out forever.

One lane that is wide open right now is the internet. More millionaires have been made of the internet in the last few years than there have been over the last few decades. But just getting rich isnt the answer. That revenue needs to come back to the community and build infastructures and resources that can create and sustain a viable economy and a productive neighborhood.

Good post. What do you do for a living?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

That sounds like good thread topic. I wanted this thread to be a call to action though. I feel like you got a good head on your shoulders so wade through all the theories and get at the real point of this discussion. I'm about action fam, let's work on solutions in this thread. I feel like you yourself are making a generalization of what this thread is really about.

That's what the point of my post was. My families solution was hard work and school

nikkas hate to hear that, but it is what it is. My mom is from a town in south carolina that JUST got a Macdonalds 4-5 yrs ago. My dad came to this country with 8 dollars in his pocket. If they heard me preaching about this black nationalism shyt, they'd in my face.

If I came to my mom and say "Its your fault the black community didn't prosper! You left everyone in your hometown to get your masters at Brooklyn College. You sold us up the river." She'd smack me in the face.

I don't think you nikkas really hear the shyt y'all say sometimes. It sounds great until you run into someone that was really in the struggle. Both of em are living the American dream/black dream, whatever you want to call it, but according to the coli, them not wanting to continue to live in shytty parts of NYC when they had money to move makes em sellouts.

Speaking with older people that understand the struggle, they always always preach accountability. They'll always acknowledge racism, but the first thing they do is also acknowledge their own personal faults. I have not seen one person in this thread actually take accountability for the shortcomings of their own family. We/You are the black community too. Therefore if someone in your family is a fukk up, guess what, THEY ARE THAT PART OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY HOLDING US BACK. I got cousins on my African side that fukk up, and I got cousins on my American side that fukk up. But leave it to y'all, my African side is doing WAAAAAAAY better building the newest database for Google Africa or some shyt.

Like I said, tell us personal stories about how YOUR family is contributing to negative stereotypes of the black community. Its easy to hop on the coli and say "yo lets do some shyt." Its a million times harder to stare your family member in the face and say "you're a disgrace to our people and you're fukkn up the cause."

 

[bertyr]

being a cliche and everything but it's true: A journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. If you work on you one step at a time to be the best you can be and be a positive influence in your community, that will have a ripple effect which will help influence others to know that they too can work on themselves because you gave them an example of proof it can be done which will then influence the people they know. Before you know it you've created a sort of interconnected web of positivity and self-and-community maximization because you took the initiative to be that positive influence.

If someone says something like political or social change is impossible I just think that's because they gave up. Things might be very difficult and cannot be done overnight or by one person alone, but nothing is impossible with how people choose to live and organize societies, economies, etc. Societal power moves in the direction of whatever interests want it the most. As a white guy, i can also say it's not only about race because obviously i'm not black yet I have an affinity for the plight of the black community and other oppressed racial groups due to my upbringing growing up in a multicultural poor/working class environment surrounded by many races and religions. I get that i have many advantages that blacks don't because my skin colour allows other white people to have an unconscious positive bias towards me and an unconscious (or even conscious) negative bias toward other races and cultures.

Being expansive on race, for example many whites helped blacks to create a political climate which allowed the civil rights movement to have a bigger positive impact than it would have if they didn't participate and feel solidarity with oppressed people. What im saying is it's obviously great for the black community to organize to make themselves better, but i also think a bigger goal that would be helpful to not only one group but everyone would be to help every human being regardless of race, creed, etc. to make themselves and their community better off. That way it helps move people beyond racial conflict to realize more that we're all in this together.

At the end of the day despite the cultural and societal baggage programming us, i'm not a white guy and you're not a black guy. We're just two people having this weird, interesting experience of existing and living on a fukking ball floating in the universe. I think if more people took on this point of view for viewing race relations or differences between people, political conflict would go a lot smoother and more people wouldn't feel so scared or greedy or mean to each other.

 

[The Message]

Good post. What do you do for a living?

I'll PM you fam.