Intregration was the black community's downfall...
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mc_brew
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NZA
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i will say that though i dont think our past really allowed for us to do any better than we did, it is clear that today we are in a position similar to immigrants, so there is some opportunity now. if we did band together, white people wont be fire bombing us from the sky like they did in tulsa, so we actually can accumulate some wealth and middle class social values. really, from what i hear and read, it looks like parts of the ATL, texas, and the DMV already have black cities like this. unfortunately, i dont live anywhere near those spots so i cant say it from any personal experience.
OneManGang
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No it wasn't. It's just that we were lead by the Church and we weren't militant and radical enough. We were satisfied with scraps off cacodemons table instead of building our own house. Also, most of our leaders and population believes that we belong in America and believes that America actually wants us here to be their friends and not their modern slaves (on average).
in reference to the bold.... also unity and supporting each other was better. The main negative from integration wasn't simply being apart of the America economic fabric (because as you said we mostly worked for 'them' because this is their nation and they have always owned most things) - The main negative is that we lost our group identities. With each generation, people say things like, society is becoming better in regards to race and opportunity, but the truth is... it's not, we are just becoming more accepting and less unified as black people. We took on their values and started respecting their ways and their ideas about how life should be. Now as blacks, our main goals is to participate in capitalism enough to separate and divide ourselves between nikkas and black folk and to further integrate into American society. I feel like every year we do this stupid shyt, the worse our situation will become (and the better it will become for a select few of us)
I've never seen anyone break down Economic problems of Blacks & give solutions like this man. He fluently flows through Laws, Education, & Religion's roles in helping Economics. Please share this with friends.
He also speaks on Reparations. I don't necessarily agree because I think its a pipe dream.
lol that guy. I've seen his videos dude. I've watched quite a few of em because a lot of what he says is true. He really likes to point out the fact that blacks don't own anything in this country so we need to start owning more businesses so we have more power.
But he's pretty crazy too because he's outright said it's impossible for a black person to be racist. And that makes sense, only in the context of his made up definition of racism. He believes racism is a power struggle from one race against another. So since blacks have no power in this country, therefore blacks are not racist lol.
He also talks about how we need to do business with more blacks. I think it'd be good to do business with blacks but he wants an extreme where we completely segregate from whites and only deal among black people. I really don't think that'll help us at all. I don't think the benefits of segregation outweighs the disadvantages. The disadvantages being that there are a lot of white people you can make money off of and a lot of white business partners who are willing to help us out in a mutually beneficial way.
His problem is that he can't stand the idea of a black man becoming wealthy if a white man becomes wealthy too. You know it doesn't have to be so black-and-white. Why not just worry about uplifting yourself instead of trying to outcompete white people.
maybe blacks can be racist... but because that racism doesn't amount to anything - what does it matter? why is it even worth mentioning. White racism institutionally oppresses others in America and historically has raped burned and killed people so it's different. Speaking on black racism is just something used to deflect the realities of the situation back onto the victims of the situation.
I don't care about white people being wealthy - I'm not sure if that's what he was saying. But yeah there would be disadvantages of separation at first- but the benefits would greatly out way the negative effects in the end. That's not to say we can't benefit from others or do business at all with others.... but we should only focus on blacks, only help blacks, and keep black money black if at all possible. This shouldn't be our fight in 2013.- our past generations were suffering a lot, but realistically by now that separation struggle would be starting to pan out by now if they would have stayed with it....and not given up. CAC burned a couple towns and infiltrated a few groups and we decided as a people to just lay down and do what they want as long as we can have the scrapes.
No, if black people are racist then that needs to be acknowledged. I'm a strong believer in revealing the truth as far as we can see it through logic, reasoning, and the evidence set before us. You cannot side with claude anderson on this issue from an intellectually honest perspective.
Black racism does in fact amount to something. If you're racist you're likely to make decisions based on your irrational racist views of society. Therefore, you're making decisions that simply aren't based on any logic but rather emotion. Look at Joe Madison and Al Sharpton. I'e been listening to their radio show for the past few weeks and they absolutely REFUSE to concede the fact that black-on-black crime is a major issue we ought to be fighting against. Madison tries to understate the magnitude of it by saying "oh what about why people killing white people." Of course he misses the fact that there's a grossly higher proportion of black murderers than white murderers and its not even close.
Views like that HINDER the black community. He wants black people to put all their time and effort into fighting for trayvon martin when thats not going to get us anywhere. Sure I understand he wants to fight racism in this country and that will certainly do us some good, but racism is NOT our biggest problem right now. We've got way way way too many internal problems within the black community that we need to fix on our own before spending so much time and energy fighting outside forces.
My point isn't that black racism has a negative impact on white people, I'm saying it has a negative impact on our own people. We're not focusing on the right things.
Ok, why? By limiting who you do business with you're certainly going to limit opportunities to grow your business. You could possibly end up hiring a white consultant that gives your business innovative ideas that put your business at a competitive edge against others. But since you don't want to hire white people you're going to miss out on that and the consultant is going to give your competitors the ideas instead.
Or perhaps just having a white face in your business brings more white customers to your businees.
Perhaps in the area you live in there are not a lot of skilled black people who can do the job, but there's a few white people around who have the technical skills for it. You're holding your business back by not picking up those white people.
And again, you're gonna want to make money off of white people, just as whites make money off of blacks. If you only hire blacks to work for you, there will certainly be some whites who will deliberately avoid doing business with you because they don't like your philosophy. That's a loss of revenue for no good reason.
Dude just worry about uplifting yourself. I agree its better to hire more blacks over whites. Every race seems to do that. But you don't want to take it to the extreme that claude anderson is proposing.
Most people acknowledge black on black crime... some people fought against the situations that create that environment. It's not like talking about it, or point a finger at gang bangers will solve that issue. most black on black crime starts with early education and economic opportunity - not because nikkas just out here shooting. Those people you say aren't acknowledging it - Aren't simply not acknowledging it, Really they are just acknowledging the fact that the reason are bring it up now it to defect the conversation about race and how this nation finds shtting on blacks acceptable. Most people aren't randomly speaking on black black crime all of a sudden because they are concerned about that issue. Even people who have been speaking against gang and urban violence - aren't fooled by the sudden interest in the topic.
About black economics... we should be extreme and militant about it. We should only do business with others to make money and only include them when we have to. There are always skilled black people who can do the job in every area.. and because blacks are in the situation we are in, we are the most relocatable group of professionals (on average) so you can always import people. - Regardless, you might need to hire some white bytches to sit at the counter or make phone calls for your business, but regardless of industry the main beneficiaries should always be black.. and profits should always go to other blacks if possible.
You say every race hires their own over others. Well, I say every race besides our own... but even if we did we need to not be in denial at the extreme that others do it.... they do it extremely whether they realize it or not because that's how people are. also, black racism is a non issue. You should focus on that- but I don't think anyone does focus on it. There are no black kkk's or black skin heads n shyt - and even if their were they wouldn't spew hate or kill people.
