in the early 90's if you weren't street/thug/calling women bytches, you weren't popping -Kid N Play

[IllmaticDelta]

@thatdude901 @Wear My Dawg's Hat yall getting schooled, after schooled, and summer schooled in this thread

 

[Sir Brehsington]

Lets just say Kid N Play were enjoyed more in movies than their actual music pass a certain point.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

@thatdude901 @Wear My Dawg's Hat yall getting schooled, after schooled, and summer schooled in this thread

You're right. I learned that Kool Keith was a "lyrical" rapper from the 1990s.

 

[kingofnyc]

Didn't pharcyde go platinum too? I was talking about them as artists and acts on major labels, I explained that in my following sentence.

Nobody even TALKS about these artists any more...

You all keep dodging my point and it's futile to keep doing so - if you were ultra lyrical, or party oriented and "safe", you got replaced.

May as well put ton loc, hammer, vanilla ice and young MC in here, they sold tons of records - it doesn't negate my point

da hell you talking bout ???
i got love for kid n play in all BUT lets keep it 100 - during that 90's era their time was up

this BULLshyt about street/ hardcore/ gangsta etc.. pushing out these artist during that era is fukking nonsense
as matter of a fact that same era was the most diverse period in hip-hop history








name me 3 more successful artists during this 90's era ???

no disrespect

BUT
@hustlemania is absolutely right bout you
cause you really sounding like you don't know what da hell you talking bout

 

[Wacky D]

that's really a Kwame quote in the thread title.

anyway, after thinking about this for a minute, and reading thru the thread, i see that nobody really addressed THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

its not so much gangsta rap that phased them out, as much as it was THE HARDCORE. both visually & stylistically, while the party-hardy element was made obsolete.

by '93, even if your content was light-hearted, your presentation was still hard or street-based. chicks like queen latifah & mc lyte had grimey visuals that they didn't have in their videos previously. even with the native tongues; tribe & de la abandoned all the goofy & suspect chit they used to be doing.

also, kid n play made '80s/early '90s party rap, new jack swing rap, and of course the

but all of that was phased out. they didn't have their own female group lane like salt n pepa. and lesbianest, the fresh prince retired when gangsta rap took over. then he came back as will smith years later when the coast was clear. he didn't make any records between '93-97. and they weren't versatile like heavy d. cuz heavy could make a jiggy baller record, maybe drop a street banger, then turn around and love a chick down.

Most record stores in the South and Midwest didn't have access to Thier product cause they failed to distribute alot of Thier artists such as UTFO AND CHUBB ROCK in these markets

I was a huge fan of the single "Bugging" by Whistle ..I was visiting down south for the summer and could hardly find that single even in the major chains like Peppermint records in ATL

And if an artist had an album you could forget it

SELECT released very few albums simply cause they didn't wanna secure a budget for them...they were good simply eating off of 12 inch singles like most NYC based labels at the time

As @hustlemania stated RECORD SALES wasn't a priority back then in the early 90s for rap music from the labels perspective

So Kid N Play wasn't MAXED OUT they actually operated in the RED

it always bugged me out how chubb rock had three #1 rap singles on an album that I don't think even went gold.

not to mention the collabos he had out.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

You're right. I learned that Kool Keith was a "lyrical" rapper from the 1990s.

He was lyrical up until dr dooom, tbh.

 

[Wacky D]

See. This is how I know u don't know what u talkin bout. Yea. He was looked at as corny. But the radio DID play him after that. And guess when Summertime came out? The fukkin 90s!. In the middle of all the "gangsta rap" shyt. But back to the main point. nikka u ever heard of the Men In Black? He had a MAJOR hit with that song and soundtrack and people fukked wit it. Gettin Jiggy Wit It? That shyt got played. Just The Two Of Us. Miami. Wild Wild West feat Sisqo. That was a hit even tho the movie sucked. People still fukked wit Will. People looked at him as corny. But people still fukked wit dude regardless. People even looked at him as corny in the 80s but they still fukked wit him. shyt. He enlisted a so called "gangsta rapper" in Nas to pen his biggest album to date. In the 90s. Like I said. U don't know wtf u talkin bout. U don't know what the climate was like. Please stfu.

BREH

notice how you completely skipped over an entire era.

the mid-90s. that was the real era of gangsta rap dominance. the shift started taking place in the early '90s. by the mid-90s, almost all of these dudes were done.

jazzy jeff & fresh prince cut an album in '93 and that was it, until will smith dropped men in black in '97 after gangsta rap lost steam. but he dropped nothing in-between. not even a soundtrack cut to promote his movies.

I'm from philly, and the last jazzy jeff & fresh prince song I remember getting play on power 99 was "summertime". I remember "boom! shake the room" getting play but I think it was Q102 playing that in '93. that don't count cuz theyre a pop station that changed their format to hip-hop/r&b for a minute during that time and still kept their pop-radio DJs in the process.

not saying that west coast gangsta rap was every big on radio here except certain artists, but the overall hardcore element took over.

da hell you talking bout ???
i got love for kid n play in all BUT lets keep it 100 - during that 90's era their time was up

this BULLshyt about street/ hardcore/ gangsta etc.. pushing out these artist during that era is fukking nonsense
as matter of a fact that same era was the most diverse period in hip-hop history








name me 3 more successful artists during this 90's era ??

I can name a lot of artists that were more successful in this time period than tribe & outkast.
outkast didn't really get big until later years when andre started dressing in drag and they moved further into crossing genres.
and the tribe of the mid-90s is a different look than the tribe of the early '90s. I thought them dudes was some fakkits when they came out.
both groups conformed to the mid-90s.

I do agree that kid n play's time was up tho.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

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[FreshAIG]

^^^^ and all of them flopped.

now before you clear your counter and threaten to kill me...I remember all of this coming on BET, and I liked it too

but go back to what Kwame' said in the video - he said if you wasn't on that bullshyt in so many words, YOU WASN'T POPPIN'

he didn't say you didn't exist or you didn't have a record deal - labels were already invested in these artists and had them under contract

but i can pretty much assure you that when all of these artists contracts were up - they didn't get renewed and got replaced by rappers that were "poppin'"

Flopped? Das Efx was arguably the biggest group in rap when they dropped. Damn near the entire industry tried to copy their style on some Migos ish

 

[spliz]

BREH

notice how you completely skipped over an entire era.

the mid-90s. that was the real era of gangsta rap dominance. the shift started taking place in the early '90s. by the mid-90s, almost all of these dudes were done.

jazzy jeff & fresh prince cut an album in '93 and that was it, until will smith dropped men in black in '97 after gangsta rap lost steam. but he dropped nothing in-between. not even a soundtrack cut to promote his movies.

I'm from philly, and the last jazzy jeff & fresh prince song I remember getting play on power 99 was "summertime". I remember "boom! shake the room" getting play but I think it was Q102 playing that in '93. that don't count cuz theyre a pop station that changed their format to hip-hop/r&b for a minute during that time and still kept their pop-radio DJs in the process.





I can name a lot of artists that were more successful in this time period than tribe & outkast.
outkast didn't really get big until later years when andre started dressing in drag and they moved further into crossing genres.
and the tribe of the mid-90s is a different look than the tribe of the early '90s. I thought them dudes was some fakkits when they came out.
both groups conformed to the mid-90s.

I do agree that kid n play's time was up tho.

Bro I didn't skip over nothin. Yea. After Summertime it was over for FRESH PRINCE. But NOT WILL SMITH. Which is why I didn't even mention their album they dropped in 93. nikka commercialization of hip hop fukked shyt up far more than gangsta rap ever did. U had nikkas like Q Tip CONTRIBUTING to "gangsta rap" classics like The Infamous. With zero issue or insecurity about their music selling or how it would be received. Alotta true school rappers ain't TRULY have an issue making noise until the mid to late 90s at the height of commercialism at the time. And even that was exaggerated for the 90s. I fukkin HATE when rappers of the past overstated shyt to make excuses for their failures of fall offs. Truth is alotta nikkas time was up.

 

[Larry Lambo]

that's really a Kwame quote in the thread title.

anyway, after thinking about this for a minute, and reading thru the thread, i see that nobody really addressed THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

its not so much gangsta rap that phased them out, as much as it was THE HARDCORE. both visually & stylistically, while the party-hardy element was made obsolete.

by '93, even if your content was light-hearted, your presentation was still hard or street-based. chicks like queen latifah & mc lyte had grimey visuals. even with the native tongues; tribe & de la abandoned all the goofy & suspect chit they used to be doing.

also, kid n play made '80s/early '90s party rap, new jack swing rap, and of course the

but all of that was phased out. they didn't have their own female group lane like salt n pepa. and lesbianest, the fresh prince retired when gangsta rap took over. then he came back as will smith years later when the coast was clear. he didn't make any records between '93-97. and they weren't versatile like heavy d. cuz heavy could make a jiggy baller record, maybe drop a street banger, then turn around and love a chick down.





it always bugged me out how chubb rock had three #1 rap singles on an album that I don't think even went gold.

not to mention the collabos he had out.

But that's a lack of versatility and adaptation to the times. Not necessarily on some "Oh, you gotta be gangsta"

There was a lane available and they didn't have to be street. Just step up the bars/music to what was in vogue.

But they still had that late 80's flow and style, and couldn't convert it over to what hip hop had evolved into.

Honestly, once they made "House Party" I don't think they had that hunger anymore, which pretty much happened to all rappers not named 2Pac.

 

[FreshAIG]

Early 90s (1990-1992) being gangsta wasn't heavily pushed the biggest acts then were Cube, Public Enemy, Tribe, Hit Squad, KRS-One, Naughty By Nature, so it was a mix but more towards a more pro black sound

By 1993, Snoop, Dre, Outkast, Wu Tang, 2Pac, Black Moon, Redman, Gangstarr, were in the forefront so it started getting more gangsta but still some room for diversity because undercard acts like Conscious Sisters, Arrested Development, Pharcyde, Souls of Mischief were still getting play

By 1994-1996: Wu Tang, Death Row, Biggie, Nas, Mobb Deep, Onyx, AZ, Outkast Bone Thugs, were in the forefront and even the undercard acts that got play were pretty hardcore like Westside Connection, M.O.P., Jay-Z, Big L, DJ Quik, Mc Eiht, UGK, Fat Joe

 

[spliz]

that's really a Kwame quote in the thread title.

anyway, after thinking about this for a minute, and reading thru the thread, i see that nobody really addressed THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

its not so much gangsta rap that phased them out, as much as it was THE HARDCORE. both visually & stylistically, while the party-hardy element was made obsolete.

by '93, even if your content was light-hearted, your presentation was still hard or street-based. chicks like queen latifah & mc lyte had grimey visuals. even with the native tongues; tribe & de la abandoned all the goofy & suspect chit they used to be doing.

also, kid n play made '80s/early '90s party rap, new jack swing rap, and of course the

but all of that was phased out. they didn't have their own female group lane like salt n pepa. and lesbianest, the fresh prince retired when gangsta rap took over. then he came back as will smith years later when the coast was clear. he didn't make any records between '93-97. and they weren't versatile like heavy d. cuz heavy could make a jiggy baller record, maybe drop a street banger, then turn around and love a chick down.





it always bugged me out how chubb rock had three #1 rap singles on an album that I don't think even went gold.

not to mention the collabos he had out.

U failed to mention the shyt he did in between time. Will had to figuratively "grow up" before he came back on the scene. He couldn't be no damn "Fresh Prince" in the 90s. When the shyt was already corny in the 80s. Will also had other commitments. With his movies n shyt like that. He came back and made a killing. Got Nas to help him and it was a wrap. U really forgetting his focus was on different shyt in those few years. nikka was making blockbuster movies during that time frame.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

that's really a Kwame quote in the thread title.






it always bugged me out how chubb rock had three #1 rap singles on an album that I don't think even went gold.

not to mention the collabos he had out.

and KWAME is another one who couldn't capitlize off of his art....that POLKA DOT fashion statement on some PRINCE shyt he was trying to make couldn't make up for the fact that he couldn't deliver a consitent flow of hits...

yeah "ONLY YOU" was a banger...even my uncle overseas in the military at the time loved that joint...but he couldn't follow it up



Kwame is full of shyt..to blame "gangsta/street" rap for his demise....

if anything BLAME his label ....he was on ATLANTIC RECORDS at the time which was under SYLVIA RHONE the same Sylvia rhone whom everyone from Busta Rhymes to Motley Crue called the DEVIL .......

She didn't know what lane to place KWAME in...which i'll admit was kinda difficult because even though he was a hip hop artist he was VERY CREATIVE.....

to be ONLY 16 YEARS OLD when he dropped "Only You"!!!!!!!...and that album with the polka dot theme..dude was mad creative

and still is ..he is a staple at the comic con conventions and is a succesful producer....

as for Chubb Rock..yeah it's sad... i always liked the articulate flow of Chubb..


to me he was a precursor to BIG and PUN as far as being a great lyrical BIG DUDE....

and his single TREAT EM RIGHT is one of the greatest club anthems of all time...it's a shame ..but once again alot of these 80s labels didn't know what to do with RAP MUSIC......

gangsta rap just started WINNING because most of it was from INDY's like ruthless and rap a lot and had a NO FUKKS ATTITUDE and didn't need to depend on the MAJORS, RADIO and MTV....

kid n play..and kwame are examples of guys who just relied on the system too much and they got fukked in the end...but blaming gangsta rap is bad excuse

 

[Wacky D]

This whole thing about Hip Hop being "more lyrical" in the 90s. Nope. The genre simply hit a pop base
through radio and videos.

There was very little in the early 90s as "lyrical" as Kane, Rakim, Melle Mel, The Treacherous Three and Spoonie Gee
on "New Rap Language," or LL on The Rock The Bells Remix (not the original). They were emcees, not rappers.

"Rappers" (not emcees) became big in the 90s to scare white parents and please their rebellious offspring.

BEST POST OF THE DAY

one of the biggest myths in hip-hop.

dap + rep.

HipHop was more creative, diverse in styles, eclectic and lyrical from 90-94 than the 80's, overall

NO IT WASNT more lyrical.

a lot of these dudes that get tagged as lyrical that came out in the early '90s, would've got raped tryna diss somebody in the '80s.

chit, while we're on the topic of kid n play, Kid would've smoked some of these so-called lyrical early '90s rappers like Q-tip and guru.

I don't know why people are in here acting like Kid didn't have bars and wasn't one of the better ghostwriters back then, just cuz he could dance.

Son fukk is u talkin bout? Ra went gold in the 90s. LL went platinum all thru the 90s. Kane fell off for DIFFERENT reasons. HE fukked his career up by ODin and tryna be too mainstream by doing wild shyt. Melle Mel couldn't keep up musically. Cause Run DMC was still able to cultivate hits in the 90s. Heavy D did just fine. KRS One, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, G Rap did as well. Special Ed was still doin his thing. Etc etc. And yes. There WAS a lyrical revolution and evolution in hip hop and u would be retarded to disregard it. Lol @ no one in the 90s being more lyrical than Melle Mel when there was people in the 80s who were. If u had some dope shyt. People fukked wit it. Simple and plain. nikkas blaming gangsta rap is a fukkin copout.

look at it like this

once you take the names out the hat, that were carry-overs from the mid-late '80s, and just deal with the early-90s class, the pool isn't that deep for lyricists.

U failed to mention the shyt he did in between time. Will had to figuratively "grow up" before he came back on the scene. He couldn't be no damn "Fresh Prince" in the 90s. When the shyt was already corny in the 80s. Will also had other commitments. With his movies n shyt like that. He came back and made a killing. Got Nas to help him and it was a wrap. U really forgetting his focus was on different shyt in those few years. nikka was making blockbuster movies during that time frame.

DOG. the code red album only went gold, and peaked at #64. that's a flop for them. they simply cashed their chips in, and had the option of sticking to their sitcom instead of ruining their legacy.

he was making blockbuster movies when he started rapping again too. so whats the difference, besides the shift back to commercial & party records in '97, that opened the door for his return?

he didn't have to "grow up" before he came back to the rap scene to make 'deep' records like men in black & getting jiggy with it.

And you wanna know another fun fact (no pun intended) That Should CLOSE THIS IDIOTIC THREAD

Kid N Play ONLY landed the HOUSE PARTY roles because WILL SMITH and DJ JAZZY JEFF turned it Down...

Kid N Play NEVER gained STARDOM off their music alone..they were not popping like that

My Program Director Had a Entertainment News Show We Use To Syndicate That Told This Story

And Jeff confirms and details the real reason they turned it down because New Line cinemas was suing them and made them an offer either break off some cash or do this film..


Movie Legends Revealed | 'House Party' Nearly Starred DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince

just because they were the 2nd choice, and not as big as jazzy jeff & fresh prince, lets not act like kid n play weren't already big stars in hip-hop, 3 years before house party.

they still landed that role because of how popular they already were. lets not act like they were just randomly thrown into the movie.

and KWAME is another one who couldn't capitlize off of his art....that POLKA DOT fashion statement on some PRINCE shyt he was trying to make couldn't make up for the fact that he couldn't deliver a consitent flow of hits...

yeah "ONLY YOU" was a banger...even my uncle overseas in the military at the time loved that joint...but he couldn't follow it up

Kwame is full of shyt..to blame "gangsta/street" rap for his demise....

if anything BLAME his label ....he was on ATLANTIC RECORDS at the time which was under SYLVIA RHONE the same Sylvia rhone whom everyone from Busta Rhymes to Motley Crue called the DEVIL .......

I have do disagree on the consistent hits thing. I'd say he was consistent with it but maxed out after the 2nd album.

but yea, as talented as he was, he was a lil too gimmicky. and I hate how hes trying to ride the false narrative that biggie ended his career. he was already played out. biggie said that line for a reason.