What album are you guys listening to?
They don't do it in passing, at all. There's whole verses about it. Hell, there's whole songs about it.
You cats need to revisit the album....I don't know if you're getting it mixed up with "ATLiens" or what. The lead single was "Player's Ball" which referenced selling dope on Christmas day, for fukk sake....but people had to analyze the album to notice they were talking about street shyt?
There's numerous references to killing people....pimping....slanging dope....various guns....but it's "playful and non-threatening"?
Make a thread/poll, and I guarantee it'll be labeled as street/gangster rap. I've never even heard of it not being that, until this thread.
Fred.
you need to think outside the box.
youre thinking as an avid rap listener, whose also a fan of the group. your average person that may have heard these records, aren't breaking them down & deciphering them. your average person doesn't know that theyre referencing dope on players ball. especially all the fans that they acquired that aren't even huge fans of rap period. the street content isn't in-your-face, and to the average listener, its downright hidden. especially when they see the visuals of the group, which were always far from gangsta.
have you ever heard the term, "image is everything"??
I mean, look at Kanye west. hes always grouped in the conscious category, even tho half or most of his raps are typically braggadocio & shallow.
the problem is, AND THIS IS NOT A DISS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A RAP FORUM: but a lot of yall are too deep into rap, and aren't thinking outside of the box neither.
What's mind boggling is people are claiming Outkast wasn't gangster rap but early Ice Cube had far more depth than Outkast debut, but was still considered gangster rap. Half of Scarface's catalog is introspective songs but he's gangster rap. People act like gangster rap is this very narrow sub-genre only a handful of acts fall into.
Exactly. I like Wacky as a poster but "Outkast was never on some street, gangster shyt" is something I'd expect to hear from someone that never heard their debut....but he claims he heard it in real time....but if you put them in the Arrested Development lane during that era, cats would laugh in your face. He says a lot of really puzzling stuff.
Fred.
hip-hop is street music. so naturally, just about every rapper ever, has had street content in some form or fashion. it doesn't make them a street rapper, and certainly not a gangsta rapper.
breh nobody says "throw on that outkast" when theyre in the mood for some gangsta chit.
comparing them to ice cube & scarface is craziness.
and yes, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. like I said, a lot of yall simply aren't/weren't exposed to the people buying their records and aren't in tune with those crowds. they inherited the fanbases of groups like arrested development & pm dawn when they came out. they also inherited the industry positioning of those groups in outlets that most of yall prolly never paid attention to. my thing is, if you know youre not privy to said audiences & outlets , then that's cool. but don't be in denial and argue me down about it, simply because the idea of such, ruins your view of them. that's not my problem. that's just something you have to deal with.
and of course, theres also the even more obvious influence of souls of mischief, pharcyde, etc which yall are flat-out ignoring, and wont bother to address because none of yall want to get into an argument with art barr. so instead, it gets ignored and yall focus on the other groups I mentioned,and now yall in here trying to pull up my background files. LMAO.
nikka, you're like 24 aint ya?
EXACTLY
They had like an all-star team of Black writers. Dudes who like changed the game for Hip-Hop writing and this nikka trying to cover up his fukk up like, "It's just a magazine" & "you nikkaz still believe in Santa Claus"
He's either too young and got caught up there or just wasn't no Hip-Hop head like that in the early '90s
One of them Freddie Jackson ass nikkaz
I'm 32.
I don't think yall understand what I'm saying. I don't care about none of this chit in the bolded. maybe theres a social disconnect or something, cuz we're cut from a different cloth.
that stuff makes for a great magazine, but at the end of the day, its just a magazine. thurl niccas aint gonna swear by somebody just because they have a job title on their pen.
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