in all honesty, Dwyane Wade is still the best SG in the league

[Mic-Nificent]

Well the debate took that turn when people claimed that Kobe is the best because of scoring outbursts he went on 5-6 years ago when he took a ridiculous number of shots per game. It's not that Kobe is the only player in the league capable of taking 40 shots in a game, he was just the only one actually doing it. Kobe has played great games in which he personally only scored 30 or so points, you realize that right?

lol @ "5-6 years ago".

Just this season he dropped four straight 40 point games and his shooting percentages during that run were 58%, 45%, 48%, and 50%.

Your argument basically boils down to "Wade could do that too but he just doesn't wanna" Are you gonna use that same argument to downplay Jordan's scoring feats since he actually took more shots than Kobe throughout his career?

 

[Stainless Bobby]

Nevermind.

 

[YBE]

You really want to be objective? Show me a season where Kobe has scored with Wade-like efficiency.

Wade has not produced a 35 point per game season or games of 60 and 80 points because he simply does not choose to play that way. Even when Wade had terrible rosters and many of the Kobestans even said he should be playing Kobeball, he still often functioned like a point guard and punished opposing teams for focusing on him and leaving other guys open. Kobe isn't that player. He takes that defense as a personal challenge and tries to win by himself.

Players like Wade and LeBron have always scored much more efficiently than Kobe. Common sense says that if you simply give them more shot attempts, they'll also get more points. Those additional points may come at a lower efficiency level but the fact remains that simply taking more shot attempts than another player doesn't mean you're a better scorer.

What do you mean which is it? There is nothing mutually exclusive about what I said.

"Wade wont ever average 35ppg because he chooses not to play that way"


next line....

"Wade could do the same thing Kobe does if he got more shots"


which is it? Was Wade explicitly choosing not to average 40 points a month or was there some external force stopping him from taking more shots? For most of his career, Wade was the primary ball handler down there. Wade could've took as many shots as he wanted nikka

Let me make it easy for you. Wade won't ever go on scoring tears like Kobe because you can't average 40 points a month when you shoot 17% from the 3 & struggle with free throws (77% to Kobe's 84%, MJ 84%). It's two sides to every story. Does Kobe jack up alot of shots. Yes. But its that psychology that makes Bean one of the top scorers of NBA history. Because he's confident enough in his shot to say fukk it whereas Wade would pass out. Every now & then, his cockiness proved right. Try defending a nikka with a post game, a midrange, a deadly outside & could still slash when everything was falling for him that night.

 

[Bilz]

"Wade wont ever average 35ppg because he chooses not to play that way"


next line....

"Wade could do the same thing Kobe does if he got more shots"


which is it? Was Wade explicitly choosing not to average 40 points a month or was there some external force stopping him from taking more shots? For most of his career, Wade was the primary ball handler down there. Wade could've took as many shots as he wanted nikka

Let me make it easy for you. Wade won't ever go on scoring tears like Kobe because you can't average 40 points a month when you shoot 17% from the 3 & struggle with free throws (77% to Kobe's 84%, MJ 84%). It's two sides to every story. Does Kobe jack up alot of shots. Yes. But its that psychology that makes Bean one of the top scorers of NBA history. Because he's confident enough in his shot to say fukk it whereas Wade would pass out. Every now & then, his cockiness proved right. Try defending a nikka with a post game, a midrange, a deadly outside & could still slash when everything was falling for him that night.

Wade, LeBron, Kobe, etc could all go for 50 points a night if they wanted to but it would be counter productive to the team's efforts. LeBron and Wade realize that but Kobe didn't give a fukk. When the Spurs shamelessly fed David Robinson all game to get a scoring title back in the day, he put up an amazing statline and the team won but there is a reason they didn't make that their gameplan every game.

Since you think Kobe is so much better than Wade in so many areas and the stats show he takes a lot more shots than Wade does, why is he only 0.2 ppg ahead of him over his career?

 

[TheNig]

Wade, LeBron, Kobe, etc could all go for 50 points a night if they wanted to but it would be counter productive to the team's efforts. LeBron and Wade realize that but Kobe didn't give a fukk. When the Spurs shamelessly fed David Robinson all game to get a scoring title back in the day, he put up an amazing statline and the team won but there is a reason they didn't make that their gameplan every game.

Since you think Kobe is so much better than Wade in so many areas and the stats show he takes a lot more shots than Wade does, why is he only 0.2 ppg ahead of him over his career?

oh i dont know. maybe becuz Kobe came off the bench at the beginning of his career?



you dancing right now and you starting to look like that dumbass Prof. you're smarter than this.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Wade, LeBron, Kobe, etc could all go for 50 points a night if they wanted to but it would be counter productive to the team's efforts. LeBron and Wade realize that but Kobe didn't give a fukk. When the Spurs shamelessly fed David Robinson all game to get a scoring title back in the day, he put up an amazing statline and the team won but there is a reason they didn't make that their gameplan every game.

Since you think Kobe is so much better than Wade in so many areas and the stats show he takes a lot more shots than Wade does, why is he only 0.2 ppg ahead of him over his career?

Because Kobe wasn't a starter his first two years in the league. During that time Kobe only played 15 and 26 Minutes per game and only attempted 5.9 and 11.6 shots per game.

Conversely Wade started the majority of games his rookie season, took 13 shots a game, and played 34 Minutes per game.

If you remove the two seasons were Kobe wasn't a starter he averages 27.1 points to Wade's 24.2

 

[Bilz]

oh i dont know. maybe becuz Kobe came off the bench at the beginning of his career?



you dancing right now and you starting to look like that dumbass Prof. you're smarter than this.

I pointed out the fact that he averages more shots per game over his career. Even though he had a couple years as a bench player, he still averages more shots per game than Wade yet their corresponding point per game difference is negligible.

 

[Bilz]

Because Kobe wasn't a starter his first two years in the league. During that time Kobe only played 15 and 26 Minutes per game and only attempted 5.9 and 11.6 shots per game.

Conversely Wade started the majority of games his rookie season, took 13 shots a game, and played 34 Minutes per game.

If you remove the two seasons were Kobe wasn't a starter he averages 27.1 points to Wade's 24.2

And what was the shot attempts per game difference if you take out those 2 years? Kobe has scored more by shooting more, not by shooting better.

 

[IGSaint12]

And what was the shot attempts per game difference if you take out those 2 years? Kobe has scored more by shooting more, not by shooting better.

man please your argument is glass, wade will never be the scorer kobe is even if he takes the same amount of shots. GTFOH

 

[TheNig]

I pointed out the fact that he averages more shots per game over his career. Even though he had a couple years as a bench player, he still averages more shots per game than Wade yet the point difference is negligible.

dawg, Kobe has two seasons of his NBA career that he avg'd under 20 ppg. Wade has one. and that one season is still better statically than Kobe's.

Kobe avg'd 8 ppg as a rookie. Wade avg'd 17 as a rookie. you see the difference.

 

[AVXL]

and i don't even like Hobe.

This. fukk the snitch, but he's still the best SG until further notice

 

[TheNig]

And what was the shot attempts per game difference if you take out those 2 years? Kobe has scored more by shooting more, not by shooting better.

but according to that, he still avg 3 more points than Wade. so of course he's probably taking more shots. also means he's hitting more shots.

 

[Jplaya2023]

dawg, Kobe has two seasons of his NBA career that he avg'd under 20 ppg. Wade has one. and that one season is still better statically than Kobe's.

Kobe avg'd 8 ppg as a rookie. Wade avg'd 17 as a rookie. you see the difference.

So it's wade's fault kobe wasn't good enough to start in the NBA as a rookie?

 

[IGSaint12]

So it's wade's fault kobe wasn't good enough to start in the NBA as a rookie?

He was a rookie, not all coach start their rookies. The fukk kind of thinking do you have?

 

[Mic-Nificent]

And what was the shot attempts per game difference if you take out those 2 years?

Taking away Kobe's first two seasons his FGA per game are 20.9 to Wade's 18.3.

Kobe has scored more by shooting more, not by shooting better.

When has anybody EVER tried to argue that point? Wade is a more efficient scorer, nobody has ever argued that. FG% should be taken into consideration, but it shouldn't be THE deciding factor.

As great of a scorer that Wade is he's simply not on that Wilt, Baylor, Jordan, Kobe level when it comes to scoring.