I'm Officially DONE with Marvel.. Delete this thread. fukk the MCU and fukk Disney

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Recently traveled overseas via United Emirates. On the entertainment interface in the movie category Marvel has it's own category like they Disney. Another milestone. :mjcry:

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Why do people keep bringing up Iron Man 2 and 3 as being bad flicks.

I guess when you make 12 movies you have to rank them but :mindblown: those movies weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination.


Age of Ultron suffered from them trying to fit to much into the storyline. I think the most important element which is the avengers finally learning about the infinity stones, wasn't emphasized enough. Ulron coulve been a dope villian but he was basically a small piece to q bigger puzzle. Ultron basically helped uncover another infinity stone and was merely a byproduct of its power.

Overall I understand why people shyt on the marvel villians besides Loki but the real villian is Thanos and each movie is like a small piece to the bigger puzzle. The villians in these movies are merely subplots.
 

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Why do people keep bringing up Iron Man 2 and 3 as being bad flicks.

I guess when you make 12 movies you have to rank them but :mindblown: those movies weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination.


Age of Ultron suffered from them trying to fit to much into the storyline. I think the most important element which is the avengers finally learning about the infinity stones, wasn't emphasized enough. Ulron coulve been a dope villian but he was basically a small piece to q bigger puzzle. Ultron basically helped uncover another infinity stone and was merely a byproduct of its power.

Overall I understand why people shyt on the marvel villians besides Loki but the real villian is Thanos and each movie is like a small piece to the bigger puzzle. The villians in these movies are merely subplots.

People seem to not like IM2 due to all the cramming of the SHIELD stuff, and most of the complaints about IM3 revolve around not being in the suit enough and the Mandarin twist.

They definitely weren't bad though, and a lot of people seem to not understand what IM3 is about. It's also strange that some are shytting on it to prop up BvS when IM3 has better reviews in every metric
 

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People seem to not like IM2 due to all the cramming of the SHIELD stuff, and most of the complaints about IM3 revolve around not being in the suit enough and the Mandarin twist.

They definitely weren't bad though, and a lot of people seem to not understand what IM3 is about. It's also strange that some are shytting on it to prop up BvS when IM3 has better reviews in every metric

The theme in most marvel's movies has been the real villain isn't who you think it is.

Iron Man the real villain was Obadiah.
Iron Man 3 the real villain was Killian.

Fury worked was the director of SHIELD so after the end credits of Iron Man it only made sense to introduce Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and Hawkeye in Thor since they weren't going to get origins movies.

All of these movies are connected. I look at them glorified live action cartoon episodes. They all have an underlying theme that escalates one after the other. And as the MCU has evolved each movie or TV show drops subtle and not so references to each one. Look at how Tony Stark has evolved from Iron Man to Civil War. He's damn near a completely different person. Look at how Banner evolved. Look at how they have introduced new characters.

People say Thor 2 was bad but both Thor movies have been big pieces to the MCU puzzle leading up to Infinity wars and its no surprise Thor 3 picked to lead into that movie. That's why I never look at these movies as stand alone flicks. Even with Civil War you saw the tension building between Stark and Rogers. Hell, even in First Avenger, Rogers was anti establishment. This is why the franchise has been overall successful. They don't expect certain movies like Ant-Man or Thor 2 to break records, but the use a formula that will make them successful while also focusing on the overall plot of each phase. And they also tend to know which movies need better stories than others. Civil War had better directors plot and script because they were basically breaking up SHIELD. Avengers and AOU sells themselves because of the amount of characters used. With Civil War its different because of the complexity of the plot. This is probably their crown jewel in terms of writing and acting. Ant Man was something they wanted to get right because they only had one shot with this character before introducing him in Civil War. I think Black Panther will have a major impact in the movie because unlike Scarlett Witch he's getting a stand alone movie. Dr Strange like GOTG is introducing an relatively unknown character so they made sure they brought in established actors and will definitely have a dope script.

I don't people will appreciate just how much Marvel has done since 2008 until after infinity wars and even then I doubt people will recognize its success.
 

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The theme in most marvel's movies has been the real villain isn't who you think it is.

Iron Man the real villain was Obadiah.
Iron Man 3 the real villain was Killian.

Fury worked was the director of SHIELD so after the end credits of Iron Man it only made sense to introduce Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and Hawkeye in Thor since they weren't going to get origins movies.

All of these movies are connected. I look at them glorified live action cartoon episodes. They all have an underlying theme that escalates one after the other. And as the MCU has evolved each movie or TV show drops subtle and not so references to each one. Look at how Tony Stark has evolved from Iron Man to Civil War. He's damn near a completely different person. Look at how Banner evolved. Look at how they have introduced new characters.

People say Thor 2 was bad but both Thor movies have been big pieces to the MCU puzzle leading up to Infinity wars and its no surprise Thor 3 picked to lead into that movie. That's why I never look at these movies as stand alone flicks. Even with Civil War you saw the tension building between Stark and Rogers. Hell, even in First Avenger, Rogers was anti establishment. This is why the franchise has been overall successful. They don't expect certain movies like Ant-Man or Thor 2 to break records, but the use a formula that will make them successful while also focusing on the overall plot of each phase. And they also tend to know which movies need better stories than others. Civil War had better directors plot and script because they were basically breaking up SHIELD. Avengers and AOU sells themselves because of the amount of characters used. With Civil War its different because of the complexity of the plot. This is probably their crown jewel in terms of writing and acting. Ant Man was something they wanted to get right because they only had one shot with this character before introducing him in Civil War. I think Black Panther will have a major impact in the movie because unlike Scarlett Witch he's getting a stand alone movie. Dr Strange like GOTG is introducing an relatively unknown character so they made sure they brought in established actors and will definitely have a dope script.

I don't people will appreciate just how much Marvel has done since 2008 until after infinity wars and even then I doubt people will recognize its success.

Being a Marvel head since I could read. I truly appreciate what they are doing and how well they are doing it. I think the movie going public generally appreciates how connected the universe is as well. Go watch some trailer reactions on youtube, people lose their minds over these movies.
 

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WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: THE MCU



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Several directors turned the movie down because they believed it'd flop before Jon Favreau was hired. Louis Leterrier was also interested, and subsequently directed THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

Sam Rockwell and Clive Owen auditioned for Tony Stark before Robert Downey Jr. was cast.

Rachel McAdams was offered Pepper Potts, but declined, and Gwyneth Paltrow was cast.

Early drafts featured the Mandarin as a corrupt Chinese businessman who led the 10 Rings and created the Crimson Dynamo armor to fight Iron Man, before Jon Favreau decided to build up to the character.

Early drafts featured Obadiah Stane only as Stark's estranged mentor, and his descend into villainy would be explored over several movies.

In early drafts, Stark would throw Stane into a vat of acid rather than have him caught in the blast of the Arc Reactor's explosion. When the armor is retrieved, Stane's body is gone, indicating he might have survived.

In early drafts, Stark would fight Stane in the prototype Mark IV armor, which includes a shoulder-mounted gattling gun and would later become the War Machine armor.

The movie was filmed mostly without a script, with actors ad-libbing most of their lines based on a production guideline. Production was so chaotic that both the cast and the producers believed the movie would be a disaster until test-screenings reported surprisingly positive audience reception.
 

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Mark Ruffalo was Louis Leterrier's original choice for Bruce Banner, but the studio favored Edward Norton.

Ray Stevenson auditioned for Emil Blonsky before Tim Roth was cast.

Norton had concerns about the movie's direction and demanded to revise the script. He notoriously clashed with producers and added several subplots that were partially filmed and ultimately cut.

Norton was a fan of "The Wire" and added a subplot about a man, played by Michael K. Williams, who reaches out to the Hulk during the Battle of Harlem to stop the destruction. The subplot was almost entirely cut and Williams' role reduced to a cameo.

Norton also added an extended comedic sequence where Banner interacts with a computer geek while trying to retrieve data from the university. Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill and Jason Segel were approached to make an appearance as the computer geek, but when they all declined, the scene was scrapped and the geek reduced to a cameo, played by Martin Starr.
 

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Emily Blunt was originally cast as Natasha Romanoff, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Scarlett Johansson.

Terrence Howard, who played James Rhodes, was the highest-paid actor in "Iron Man", and asked to accept a pay cut for the sequel. When he refused, he was fired and replaced by Don Cheadle.

Tim Robbins was approached to play Howars Stark, but declined.

Zhang Ziyi was approached to play Rumiko Fujikawa before the character was scrapped.

Justin Hammer was originally the main villain, and would've been an older, shrewd businessman. Producers envisioned Al Pacino in the role, but the idea was scrapped when Hammer was made into a younger, more comedic character and the secondary antagonist.

Ivan Vanko was originally a secondary villain, alongside his brother Boris Bullsky. Vanko would die during the fight in Monaco, and Bullsky would be recruited by Hammer to become Titanium Man and avenge his brother's death. Sam Rockwell originally auditioned for Bullsky before the two characters were merged into one and made into the primary antagonist, played by Mickey Rourke.

Jon Favreau's original plan was to adapt the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline, with Stark descending into alcoholism due to Hammer's machinations to ruin his public image, government pressure to surrender his technology and Pepper finding a new boyfriend, but the studio felt the subject was too dark and persuaded Favreau to change it to a storyline of Stark dying of Palladium poisoning.
 

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Daniel Craig was the studio's top choice to play Thor, but declined.

Charlie Hunnam, Joel Kinnaman, Alexander Skarsgard and Tom Hiddleston auditoned for Thor. Hiddleston impressed producers enough to be offered the role of Loki. The frontrunners were Chris Hemsworth and Liam Hemsworth, with Chris ultimately being cast.

Natalie Portman agreed to play Jane Foster because she felt the need to be in a lighter movie afte the emotionally straining "Black Swan".

Josh Hartnett and Charlie Cox auditioned for Loki.

Brian Blessed was originally approached to play Odin.

Jessica Biel and Diora Baird auditoned for Sif.

Alexander Townsend was originally cast as Fandral, but was fired due to his erractic behavior. Zachary Levi was originally approached to replace him, but couldn't commit, and Josh Dallas was cast.

>Early drafts featured Thor's human alter-ego, Dr. Donald Blake, and Kevin McKidd was reportedly approached to play him before the character was scrapped.
 
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