Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

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In @4d 6f 6e 65 79 defense ( I can't believe I'm doing this) a lot of these non black minority groups are fickle when it comes to the dems. It was only 13 years ago Bush got 44 percent of the hispanic vote. Large amounts of muslims were repub and still would be if not for 9/11. Should the dems refocus on its core or continue to chase minority groups that will abandon them when things are "safe" per se.
 

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Do you not think that if these "liberals" existed, they wouldn't be chased?

They don't.

There is no liberal base. This country is a center-right country with liberals who live on top of each other.

Thats according to how districts are drawn.

I believe that to change perception of what a democrat is in the eyes of today's republican, you have to run George Wallace. Over correction would have to be that strong
 

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Equality for all means Equality for All.

Segregation based equality is just bigotry. No need to dance around it.

What you're actually saying is, "People don't want equality. That's why democrats are losing." :patrice:
well no shyt.

but supporting illegals like the Dems have loses votes.

I'm talking about strategy.

You need to read comment sections and conservative publications.

I'm a black man. I can't advocate white supremacist positions and talking points.

I CAN however talk about things the Dems can cut loose.

Illegal immigrants MUST go. Period.

We can do it tactfully, but Dems are wasting time trying to defend people who cost us votes.
 

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Equality for all means Equality for All.

Segregation based equality is just bigotry. No need to dance around it.

What you're actually saying is, "People don't want equality. That's why democrats are losing." :patrice:
No, we cant(and shouldnt) legislate equality, thats why Dems are losing.
Also Americans as a whole subscribe to nationalism a lot more than Dems realize/are willing to accept.
 

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OP is an anti Muslim bigot. Nobody switched sides from dem to rep because of Muslims or because of Mexicans. They switched because of white supremecy. And those fags that you love op. Guess What? They're white supremacists also. Kumar you not gona be accepted because you think Aryans migrated from India to europe. Quit being an idiot.

I'm a black male, so miss me with all that shyt.

And fact is, islam is a belief. Its not a people. Centrists think democrats are too loyal to muslims

You wanna hear the facts on the ground or you wanna put your fingers in your ears?
 

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In @4d 6f 6e 65 79 defense ( I can't believe I'm doing this) a lot of these non black minority groups are fickle when it comes to the dems. It was only 13 years ago Bush got 44 percent of the hispanic vote. Large amounts of muslims were repub and still would be if not for 9/11. Should the dems refocus on its core or continue to chase minority groups that will abandon them when things are "safe" per se.
BINGO. Most immigrants are on that "bootstrap" shyt.

They are NOT democrats.

Especially immigrants who come from refugee situations who feel that the "strong men" of America saved them, etc.

This ain't Europe. People don't understand this.

Dems can keep minorities, but its GOT to drop this shyt about:

- illegal immigrants

- overt muslim preference

- immigration reform of legals
 

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A lot of these Hispanic are conservative. Majority of Cubans are trumpers.


I don't know what the party is going to do to combat this, I bet an up or down poll would show at least a plurality would what mass deportations. And about 10 years ago a poll came out saying people think only 65% of Americans think Muslims are loyal to the flag etc. Dems are between a rock and a hard place here.
a lot of people dont even want mass deportations, or have anything against illegals. they're just tired of "if you dont support our stance on immigration, you're a racist"

i cant even imagine how many moderate voters that bullshyt has turned off in recent years :scusthov:
 

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Not having a visa isn't "white supremacy"

This is the bullshyt I'm talking about.

1. They don't vote democrat

2. The illegals bleed support from people who feel democrats don't value them.
Illegals don't vote for anyone. What kind of bullshyt argument are you trying to conjure up.

The majority of issues you think are about courting illegals are largely a result of addressing the 14th amendment and it's affect immigration enforcement.

Most of your rhetoric stems from xenophobia and bigotry regarding Muslims and Hispanics.

If you were truly interested in addressing the issue you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss @JahFocus CS point regarding the lack of protection of labor rights.

By Allowing business to exploit illegal labor you are creating a honeypot for undocumented and illegal workers to come to the US.
 

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The irrational 'fear of Muslims' > 'treating everyone fairly' in the political arena... in fact nothing moves people quite like fear.
Dems need to turn the volume down on thos eissues and focus on wages, healthcare and education.
I disagree with you 90% of the time, but this is fact.

No one cares what the facts are.

Perception is reality to these voters. They don't give a fukk what you're talking about.

If they fear muslims, theres NOTHING you can do to fix that. If shyt blows up. You get blamed. So Dems gotta stop standing around them.

Dems can support muslims on a "religious freedom" stance...but no longer on a "look who's on stage with us in a hijab" level.

That shyt is done.

If you want diversity, use ethnicity. Do not use religion. This is a christian country with secular pockets. Islam will never be cool here.


You gotta work with what you have
 

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a lot of people dont even want mass deportations, or have anything against illegals. they're just tired of "if you dont support our stance on immigration, you're a racist"

i cant even imagine how many moderate voters that bullshyt has turned off in recent years :scusthov:
Didn't I warn people about this for years?

@JahFocus CS you can keep saying this over and over.

I support Obama/Hillary's way of handling deportations and immigration reform. Trump is reckless.

But we CAN NOT tolerate the left's stance on illegals. People who CAN vote who are in the middle are not encouraged by that stance.

You want their votes? You gotta stand against the endorsement of illegals. Its not helpful.
 

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I was saying this yesterday.

Stop trying to play fair. They ain't playing fair and no one cares that they aren't playing fair except the left.

Why aren't the Dems pointing out the little things? That the party of "freedom" spends most of its time restricting the rights of others? That the party of the constitution spends most of its time using the constitution to violate it? That the party that claims to love the country spends most of its time doing business with companies and organizations that ultimately result in the destruction of the environment which will mean no more hunting, no more amber waves of grain and all that other sentimental horse shyt because it won't exist in 30 or 40 years at this rate? Why aren't they pointing out that the NRA is silent over the murder of an innocent Black man who was a licensed and registered gun owner, that the police shot for NO REASON.

The Dems are afraid to tell the people the truth because most of the Democrats out here right now are HOLLYWOOD LIBERALS. They talk a good game but they wanna eat from these lobbyists and these bankers just like the fukkboys on the right.

The Dems are basically Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks in 2015 at this point. You could have ran Bernie for President and won EASILY because he wasn't as polarizing as Butter E-Mails, and he won some of the crucial states she LOST. The rest of the Blue States would have fallen in line and any purple states would have went Blue because he had that Populist swag.

You could have ran the ball but you chose to air it out, and do a short pass, using a QB that we now know and knew back then, that NO ONE ON THE TEAM LIKES OR RESPECTS AS A LEADER. Just like fukking Russell Wilson.

And that's why the Seahawks continue to fail. No leadership and no unity.

What's the Dems message? fukk Trump? Yeah no kidding what else you got???
This is the cold hearted truth right here. Clooney, Damon, Apatow, Legend, Ellen, Olivia Wilde, Meryl are part of the problem. They criticize the repubs and then do million dollar fundraisers for people like Hillary. Dems talk about race and sex but it is skin deep and does nothing to appeal beyond the corporate worker in the Bay Area. For Dems, it'e easy to trash Larry the Cable Guy, especially if you're one of those white people who hate themselves for being from those parts of the country and want to join the cool kids so badly(make no mistake, there is a difference between opposing racism/sexism and trashing Iowa because you got bullied in a Cedar Rapids middle school), but tackling corporate racism and taking people like Jamie Dimon, the Wal Mart CEO?

That requires Dems to take a stand against money and they addicted to it like crack just like the Repubs, so here we are, and these people from the entertainment industry just exasperate the issue by making fun of the Larry the Cable guys of the world while forgetting their bosses voted for Trump too most likely. This creates resentment and fuels Trump and his base. And there is no ground swell of major anti trumpism as someone pointed out in another thread, and partially their fault. No one wants to hear how trump sucks from people that hung out with him and went to his parties for years. If the Dems don't get away from Hollywood, Trump and those that follow will continue to win until we wake up about 20 years from now and find out that China is the number one economy. Once that happens, it's game over for this country. America will be an overgrown United Kingdom and only then will they realize that supporting the broken political system was never worth it.
 
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Illegals don't vote for anyone. What kind of bullshyt argument are you trying to conjure up.
Its less about who people who are pro-illegals votes, than it is the vote bleed from people who won't support Dems because of it.

I know MANY white people who hate that shyt. These are liberals/center-left people who do not like the DNC stance on illegals. They see it as an affront to Americans looking for representation.

The majority of issues you think are about courting illegals are largely a result of addressing the 14th amendment and it's affect immigration enforcement.
The Dems are too close to illegals. Thats it.

Most of your rhetoric stems from xenophobia and bigotry regarding Muslims and Hispanics.
I'm not afraid of muslims. Stop using that term.

They get too much leverage.

Illegals don't help our image in the eyes of the law.

Hispanics are voting GOP more and more

If you were truly interested in addressing the issue you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss @JahFocus CS point regarding the lack of protection of labor rights.
yeah. for citizens.

illegals can't pollute that discussion anymore on the left.

This should be cut and dry.

By Allowing business to exploit illegal labor you are creating a honeypot for undocumented and illegal workers to come to the US.
Bruh I personally support jail time for people who employ illegals.

I've said this several times.

The Dems are out here bragging about ignoring the law and touting sanctuary cities.

That shyt plays well...IN CITIES.

That doesn't play well in areas where you want people to vote for democrats.

How do you not understand this?

You're NOT WINNING PEOPLE with that stance. Illegals can't vote. And you lose more than you gain

The math doesn't work.

Its just a moral play with no up-side.
 
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