Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The dems decided to address the issue. Once you address it you should own it until you have a solution. Doing nothing isn't the solution. Mass deportations has shown to be ineffective.

We need MORE deportations AND immigration reform

You wonder why the wall is so popular.

Its stupid, but it appeals to the basic nature of people who want "SOMETHING" done.

This is dog and pony. Republicans actively make illegal immigrants a part of the discussion. It was the jumping off point for Trump's campaign and has been one of the most controversial parts of his presidency. If you're suggestion is that democrats should merely ignore something that's in the national forefront your being daft.

Theres a better way to do it. Dems went to the complete opposite and completely pretend like illegals are a rare breed of endangered rabbit or something.

Trump is obviously reckless and dangerous in his rhetoric, but Dems can't lose people who can actually vote by embracing illegals so much only to be stabbed in the back by hispanics who don't support Dems.

Illegal immigration disproportionately affects black people because of the factors that place black people in the same shytty job market as illegal immigrants. Deporting illegals really doesn't do much to help the standing of blacks in this country.

This is false.

Illegal immigration hurts the black community

Fixing the systemic and cultural issues that plague us will do more than parroting white supremacist ideals regarding immigration.

The only way to fix "cultural" issues is to remove everyone is non-white.

That won't happen.

We can do "just enough" by fixing this illegal issue. That should be enough votes so show that Dems care about the people who actually live here.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Interesting analysis below. I try not to take these studies as gospel but they bring up interesting arguments. Essentially the studies suggest that many of the "swing" voters that went for Obama (but not for Hillary) actually held anti-black/anti-immigrant sentiments, but they saw Obama as superior on economic issues. Trump's campaign allowed them to vote for a platform they perceived to be both anti immigrant/minority/muslim AND economically "populist."

We Now Know How Trump Won Over Obama Voters—and Why He Wouldn’t Next Time

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Interesting analysis below. I try not to take these studies as gospel but they bring up interesting arguments. Essentially the studies suggest that many of the "swing" voters that went for Obama (but not for Hillary) actually held anti-black/anti-immigrant sentiments, but they saw Obama as superior on economic issues. Trump's campaign allowed them to vote for a platform they perceived to be both anti immigrant/minority/muslim AND economically "populist."

We Now Know How Trump Won Over Obama Voters—and Why He Wouldn’t Next Time

This is why Bernie would have lost anyways.

Its a white supremacist country now.

The internet has them all linking up under Trump and they wont cede ground to non-white supremacist movements, no matter what the details are.

They don't care about their interests.

They get the white supremacy of trump AND economic populism as long as minorities don't get it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Of course you can but you have to do it RIGHT

Remember Obeezy and Joe the Plumber...he finessed the fukk out of that dude. I remember it like it was yesterday too.

Typical angry right wing white man who "owns his own business" comes up to argue and poke out his chest to a Black man whose fukking kids probably have a higher IQ than said angry white guy.

And Obama just talked dude down in front of a group of people and made him look like the idiot he was and still is.

And the entire country saw that....remember?

lol, you remembered that wrong, that was a huge obama mistake because he ended up saying something about spreading the wealth which fed into him being a socialist

the country was tired of bush, mccain was old and he was a good looking well spoken black man and he did finesse mccain and hillary, thats why obama won

 

[ZoeGod]

Honestly I do not know what the Dems can do. Obama ran as a liberal progressive but governed like a centrist. Look at the backlash from Obama. White america got radicalized cuz he talked about police brutality and Treyvon Martin. Also Dems do not have someone who is charismatic as Obama. Also running on gay rights,transgender rights who are a minority gets you no play in middle white America. Hell black America do not care about trannys rights. And on the Hispanic gamble it backfired. The idea after 2012 was that we have this coalition of white millenials,minorities that could turn Texas purple and Florida permanently blue. Now look where we are. The issue with illegal immigration is that most hispanics look down on illegals. Mexicans in the southwest are conservative and don't give a fukk about LGBTQ issues. That is why I worry that if nothing is found on Trump to impeach him it could aid Republicans in 2018 and 2020. Sad situation we are in. White supremacy has been embraced by hispanics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

lol, you remembered that wrong, that was a huge obama mistake because he ended up saying something about spreading the wealth which fed into him being a socialist

the country was tired of bush, mccain was old and he was a good looking well spoken black man and he did finesse mccain and hillary, thats why obama won

HL is loud and wrong about the state of the country.

@FAH1223 and @JahFocus CS can have their policy preference, but the REALITY of the country is that it is a center-right wing country. They need to accept and internalize this.

Period.

Theres nothing socialist about the United States. We see social security as a pension, anything beyond that and we're against it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Honestly I do not know what the Dems can do. Obama ran as a liberal progressive but governed like a centrist. Look at the backlash from Obama. White america got radicalized cuz he talked about police brutality and Treyvon Martin. Also Dems do not have someone who is charismatic as Obama. Also running on gay rights,transgender rights who are a minority gets you no play in middle white America. Hell black America do not care about trannys rights. And on the Hispanic gamble it backfired. The idea after 2012 was that we have this coalition of white millenials,minorities that could turn Texas purple and Florida permanently blue. Now look where we are. The issue with illegal immigration is that most hispanics look down on illegals. Mexicans in the southwest are conservative and don't give a fukk about LGBTQ issues. That is why I worry that if nothing is found on Trump to impeach him it could aid Republicans in 2018 and 2020. Sad situation we are in. White supremacy has been embraced by hispanics.

Ossoff was not a bad candidate. People just like trolling non-whites in the booth.

Thats where we are.

The GOP just is a part full of if you're not us, then you can't join us.

Thats it. And theres way more of them

Dems can stop the bleeding by cutting illegals and distancing themselves from illegals.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Jeremy Corbyn wins narrowly=major win

Jon Ossoff loses narrowly=worst loss in history

Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college by a smidge=landslide loss

Bernie math hard at work!

 

[Pressure]

We need MORE deportations AND immigration reform

You wonder why the wall is so popular.

Its stupid, but it appeals to the basic nature of people who want "SOMETHING" done.

Sirens and big test doesn't make your point anymore valid.


Regarding your point:

Eighty-six percent of Democrats and 57 percent of independents oppose new spending for a border wall with Mexico. Republicans break about 2-1 in favor of the wall, but that's more narrow support than on other priorities.

The most popular proposal by far in the Trump budget is increasing spending on Veterans Affairs, which is supported by 74 percent of Americans and opposed by just 8 percent.


Americans are also more likely to favor than oppose increased spending on border patrol (50 percent to 32 percent) and decreased spending on foreign aid (50 percent to 30 percent). By a 47 percent to 34 percent margin, more also favor than oppose increasing spending on defense and the military.

Most people don't see the wall as important. Most of the progressives and independents also don't support it.

My personal opinion is that you're so gung ho on this because you think the path forward for democrats is to turn Red voters Blue. You think this is easy, but it's a fools task. You're never going to outdo conservatives in this area. You're better off spending time and energy on other priorities such as the economy and healthcare.

 

[Pressure]

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Nap, you're avoiding the question. Do you think the number of additional votes you get by supporting a more hardline position on immigration/muslims will is greater than the number you will lose?

You will absolutely lost people in the following groups:

1. hispanics
2. younger voters
3. professional class/limousine liberals that have the luxury of being able to vote based on emotion/likeability

You're chasing a subset of voters that:

1. is incredibly small (vast majority of voters are dedicated partisans immune to ANY political persuasion)
2. has already been shown to be willing to vote for a candidate that is perceived to be pro immigrant etc, as long as their policies are economically populist (Obama)
3. is dying off at a faster rate
4. will see such a huge shift in policy preferences by the Dems as a convenient "flip flop" that isn't to be trusted

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm convinced no one on here knows black people with their shyt together.

Black Yuppies are SERIOUSLY looking elsewhere on this illegal immigrant issue.

Its a HUGE problem.

the way @Call Me James self professed educated middle class negro dodges the issue is hilarious

 

[Pressure]

the way @Call Me James self professed educated middle class negro dodges the issue is hilarious

Illegal immigrants aren't what's keeping black people down in this country. Why should I go cheerleading deportation forces and walls and shyt when that money, time, energy, and resources could be better used elsewhere.

I'm out here getting money and working with people. You're out here crying about illegal immigrants.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nap, you're avoiding the question. Do you think the number of additional votes you get by supporting a more hardline position on immigration/muslims will is greater than the number you will lose?

Yes.

We're seeing as waffling on basic security (via muslim affiliation) and borders (via illegals)

Its about perception.

You will absolutely lost people in the following groups:

1. hispanics

Hispanics who are legal tend to vote republican anyways. Everything else is just hoping hispanics support their illegal colleagues. And those who vote democrat do so because of white racism on the right-wing

2. younger voters

unreliable

3. professional class/limousine liberals that have the luxury of being able to vote based on emotion/likeability

they'll vote democrat regardless. everything they do is for show.

You're chasing a subset of voters that:

1. is incredibly small (vast majority of voters are dedicated partisans immune to ANY political persuasion)

Its enough to cover the span of tight races

2. has already been shown to be willing to vote for a candidate that is perceived to be pro immigrant etc, as long as their policies are economically populist (Obama)

The policy position will help more downstream democrats than charismatic salesmen like Obama who are few and far in-between

3. is dying off at a faster rate

rates aren't useful. They're still present, and growing in terms of people open to certain views.

4. will see such a huge shift in policy preferences by the Dems as a convenient "flip flop" that isn't to be trusted

No one cares about flip flops if you meet them where they are.

Dems picked up illegals in the last 4 years. We can drop them off.