If Dallas wins a title will Kyrie be put on the Mt Rushmore of 1B/Robin players alongside Pippen…..?

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Scoring 30 is the standard number 2s are measured by? I never heard that. Not saying it aint true...just I never heard it until now.

Pippen has a fake reputation of “locking people up” when he really didn’t , so scoring points as a #2 should matter

Kyrie did that while pippen didn’t .40 points in a finals game along with averaging 27 ppg shooting 41% from 3 & hitting the championship clinching shot matters
 

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I expect you níggas to tell the complete story instead of quarter-truths, yes:mjlol:.

"Show me Pippen mirroring Jordan’s numbers in a Finals series."

Then gives a 1-game example that doesn't even tell the complete story of said game.

You níggas suck:dead:
I had nothing to do with what was said, point is Kyrie’s stat line was on par with Lebron’s in that game
 

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I had nothing to do with what was said, point is Kyrie’s stat line was on par with Lebron’s in that game
It wasn't:mjlol:.

41-7-16 with 3 blocks, 3 steals on 53/50

41-6-3 with 1 block, 2 steals on 71/71

That tells me that Kyrie was much more efficient than Bron offensively...but that's only one side of the ball:mjlol:.

If you or that other kat had said, "Show me someone that matched Jordan’s offensive numbers at his peak for a single game", a valid argument would have been made, but you kats tend to exclude any nuance or specifics when it comes to these kinds of discussions.

Kyrie's statline only looks better if you disregard everything not pertaining to scoring. A SF being the best rebounder, rim protector and passer is nothing to scoff at for a game, let alone a series.
 

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Facts are Facts. We're doing Robins vs Batmans. Gasol was the Robin. You're using Kobe's Game 7 shooting percentage as a gotcha, but it's a retarded strategy. It's simply retarded. Again, it's retarded. :hubie:
Are now we are doing 3 year runs? the mental gymnastics
 

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Facts are Facts. We're doing Robins vs Batmans. Gasol was the Robin. You're using his Game 7 shooting percentage as a gotcha, but it's a retarded strategy. It's simply retarded. Again, it's retarded. :hubie:
The fact that idiots are still using a game 7 that he won
And he did a lot of other things in that game to contribute when his shot wasn’t falling is fukking hilarious
God damn fukking casuals man :mjlol:
 

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The fact that idiots are still using a game 7 that he won
And he did a lot of other things in that game to contribute when his shot wasn’t falling is fukking hilarious
God damn fukking casuals man :mjlol:
That Game 7 shooting percentage argument is last and final anti-Kobe arguments of yesteryear that they cling too, when he won two without Shaq. The "Kobe can't win without Shaq" was the 2nd to last of their arguments. It's sad. :mjlol:
 

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That Scottie on Magic legend is a myth like unicorns.

After reviewing the game film from the 1991 NBA Finals, it turns out the Jordan – not Pippen – guarded Magic Johnson for nearly 85-90% of that series. The exception was the first half of Game 2 and the 2H of Game 3.
Yes i been saying it for years. Jordan only guarding magic in game 1 after he picked up some fouls. Afterward he did
 

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Pippen has a fake reputation of “locking people up” when he really didn’t , so scoring points as a #2 should matter

Kyrie did that while pippen didn’t .40 points in a finals game along with averaging 27 ppg shooting 41% from 3 & hitting the championship clinching shot matters
There is a difference between scoring mattering and judging a second option by 30 pt games...especially in an era where 100 ppg or less could win you a playoff series. Who suggested that those things didnt matter? Ky been living off it for almost a decade before this year.

Kyrie's contribution was scoring. Pips was some scoring and a lot of everything else. Pip actually fit the tradtional mold of a #2 more, as thats what they usually do. Kyrie was more like a #1 forced into being number 2 because his teammate was that great (Kobe, Clyde, Wade, KD) except he wasnt good enough to actually be a 1 unlike those other guys. Ironically Pip was actually better as a lead guy that Ky was despite being an inferior scorer.

Jordan is GOAT. Having help, like everybody else that won, doesnt take away from that. We can acknowledge Pip without it being a slight to MJ. Just like I dont think Kyries greatness is a slight to Bron.
 

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There is a difference between scoring mattering and judging a second option by 30 pt games...especially in an era where 100 ppg or less could win you a playoff series. Who suggested that those things didnt matter? Ky been living off it for almost a decade before this year.

Kyrie's contribution was scoring. Pips was some scoring and a lot of everything else. Pip actually fit the tradtional mold of a #2 more, as thats what they usually do. Kyrie was more like a #1 forced into being number 2 because his teammate was that great (Kobe, Clyde, Wade, KD) except he wasnt good enough to actually be a 1 unlike those other guys. Ironically Pip was actually better as a lead guy that Ky was despite being an inferior scorer.

Jordan is GOAT. Having help, like everybody else that won, doesnt take away from that. We can acknowledge Pip without it being a slight to MJ. Just like I dont think Kyries greatness is a slight to Bron.
Pippen was the lead guy for 1.5 years :mjlol:

And that team had Phil Jackson and talent.

Kyrie didn’t fit with Boston and he didn’t ask to go there.

In Brooklyn, KD missed a lot of time and the ownership/management made a lot of dumb trades and coaching hires. But Kyrie still put up numbers.
 

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Look at Gasols numbers vs Kobe's for the duration of that post season run and series. If you have to cling to the inefficiency of Kobe in that game 7 as a "gotcha" as to why we should overrate Gasol's importance relative to Kobe's, then that's a losing argument. We could do these game to game statistical nitpicks for every NBA Finals going back to the 1950s. There was a clear distance between Kobe and his teammates during those 3yr Finals runs. Even counting the 2008 loss to Boston. Gasol played a very very solid and important role in the 2009 and 2010 titles. But that role was a very clear and undebatable sidekick/robin role. :manny:

Pau was a career loser before he got to the Lakers. Now he's been elevated to a Laker Legend, and I think rightfully so. But compare his career trajectory to Love and Bosh, they were both better players before teaming up with a certain someone :hubie:
 

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Pippen was the lead guy for 1.5 years :mjlol:

And that team had Phil Jackson and talent.

Kyrie didn’t fit with Boston and he didn’t ask to go there.

In Brooklyn, KD missed a lot of time and the ownership/management made a lot of dumb trades and coaching hires. But Kyrie still put up numbers.
You put Pippen on any team good enough to make the CF without him and they are gonna at least get there and most likely to the Finals. That Nets mess was partly Kyrie's doing and he damn sure didnt put up numbers in his last playoff series (outside of game 1 of course). Just look at the names Kyrie has played with the last 7 years. Talent is most certainly not a plea that can be copped.

We cant give dude all this credit for his Finals performance, the shot, what he is doing now as a function of his greatness and then plea cop for an entire 7 year period where he had talent and input.
 

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The real question is where do we rank Luka if he wins a chip with just an older version of Kyrie and no All-Star PF on the side? :lupe:


The fact that y'all count concussed Kevin Love averaging 8ppg on 37% shooting as if it means something. :mjlol:

P.J. Washington has performed 10x better than 2016 Kevin Love did.




Pau was a career loser before he got to the Lakers.

Pau had a better three-year stretch as the leader of a team in the West than Kobe did.


50-32 (#6 seed) with James Posey as his #2
45-37 (#8 seed) with Mike Miller as his #2
49-33 (#5 seed) with Mike Miller as his #2

At almost the exact same time, Lakers were struggling to:

34-48 (missed playoffs) with Caron Butler as the #2
45-37 (#7 seed) with Lamar Odom as the #2
42-40 (#7 seed) with Lamar Odom as the #2

He had terrible 1st-round matchups (Duncan's Spurs, Nash's Suns with Amare healthy, and Dirk's Mavs their Finals year), but overall that was better than Kobe's team did


Call Pau a "career loser" when his resume as a winner to that point was actually better than Kobe's resume as a #1.
 
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