If Dallas wins a title will Kyrie be put on the Mt Rushmore of 1B/Robin players alongside Pippen…..?
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Kobe is a score-first player while Pau was an all-around (offense, defense, rebounding) sidekick.
Bron is an all-around player while Kyrie was a score-first sidekick.
Trying to compare their contributions on PPG alone is ridiculous. In cases where they both have competent teammates, of course Kobe is going to have a larger scoring gap compared to his teammates than Bron will. Kobe is a scoring guard and one of the biggest volume shooters of all time while Bron is a point guard mentality in a forward's body. Bron "could" dominate as a scorer when he had to (against the best competition when his teammates couldn't do it), while Kobe dominated as a scorer whenever he could, which meant mostly when it was easiest for him to do so (in easy series against outmatched competition).
This is basically the entire thread - keeps deteriorating to PPG alone as if that's literally the only role.
Biscayne
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He saying Wades 2006 run was a one off season is funny, considering LeBron was still able to play with Hall Of Fame level talent after Miami. He keeps ignoring that wade was playing with below average talent on the Heat teams that didn’t have success.
GreatestLaker
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Social media didn't exist back then and not a lot of people had league pass. My roommate at the time had it. So I watched quite a few Grizzlies games. Pau was definitely a top 15 player in the league at the very least.
Biscayne
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Pau is a big. Even in the 2010s you still had bigs leading teams in offensive production. Hell, the lakers just the year before went up against Dwight in his prime on that Magic team.
murksiderock
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Literally none if the advanced metrics, no other traditional metric, favor '16 Kyrie, other than PPG. Stop it. We know he's a 2. The duration of that postseason, there wasn't a single time you thought he wasn't a 2 on a team with Peak LeBron James...I literally posted Kyrie and LeBrons ppg for the whole duration of the 2016 post season. LBJ only averaged 2 more points than Kyrie while Kobe averaged 10 more ppg than Pau during their 2010 title run. It’s not comparable. Kobe carried a larger scoring load relative to his running mate than LeBron did with Kyrie. The sample size I used between the two duos was both for a whole post season. Both of the post seasons in which they both won titles.
They played together for 3 years. Kyrie was always a 2...
The question isn't who played with the most talent, re:Wade. The topic was "got their most success with LeBron", and Wade always gets omitted even though there is ZERO argument that his 12-year non-LeBron career, was more successful than his 4-year LeBron career...
Wade was a 1 better suited as a 2. As a 1, take away the '06 run, this nikka career was very, very average. You lucky he has '06 or we'd be talking about fam like we talk about Melo ..
He saying Wades 2006 run was a one off season is funny, considering LeBron was still able to play with Hall Of Fame level talent after Miami. He keeps ignoring that wade was playing with below average talent on the Heat teams that didn’t have success.
How many wins did you expect him to get in the ultra-competitive Spurs-Mavs-Suns-Timberwolves-Kings West with those starting lineups?
2004
Jason Williams
Mike Miller
James Posey
Lorenzen Wright
23yo Pau leads them to 50 wins! 5 more than the Yao-Francis-Mobley Rockets, just 5 less than the Webber-Bibby-Peja Kings, 6 less than the Shaq-Kobe-Malone-Payton Lakers. But they got fukked over with a 1st-round matchup against the defending champ Spurs.
2005
Jason Williams
Mike Miller
Shane Battier
Lorenzen Wright
45 wins. 11 more than the Kobe-Odom-Butler Lakers, 1 more than the Garnett-Sprewell-Wally-Casssell Timberwolves, 5 fewer than the Webber-Bibby-Peja Kings. But again, they had to face by far the best Suns team of the 2000s (Nash, Amare, Iso Joe, Marion, Quentin) in the 1st round.
2006
Chucky Atkins
35yo Eddie Jones
Shane Battier
Lorenzen Wright
49 wins. 5 more than the Carmelo-Camby-Martin-Miller Nuggets, 4 more than the Kobe-Odom Lakers, 5 less than the Nash-Marion-Diaw Suns. Unfortunately, they had to go up against a Dirk Mavs team in the 1st round that nearly ended up winning the title that year.
Those Grizzlies overachieved three years in a row. They got terrible 1st-round matchups (the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs with great rosters), but even so, they won way more regular season games than anyone should have expected those sorts of rosters to win.
Biscayne
Ocean air
Wade became a great 2, because he and LeBron did too many of the same things. Neither wade or LeBron were great shooters. Wade naturally was a 1, because his scoring numbers, assists numbers, etc, were always leading to wins. They weren’t empty stat fluff. Wade becoming a 2, was because his game and LeBrons game required one of them to be the ball dominant player in Spo’s system. The growing pains came from Wade NATURALLY not knowing how to become the sidekick, after carrying Miami for so long. You can’t take away the 2006 title no matter what. Wade as a one got them a title before Bron. Wade was a good enough scorer, playmaker and defender to be a floor raiser.
What lucky voodoo happened in 2006 that allowed Wade to lead his team in most metrics to the finals and a title? He’s just a natural 2 who got lucky?
Breh. I didn’t expect anything, just adding to what you said. First words, “agreed”.
murksiderock
Superstar
I clearly said Wade was a 1. But the most success he saw in his career was as a 2, to LeBron...Wade became a great 2, because he and LeBron did too many of the same things. Neither wade or LeBron were great shooters. Wade naturally was a 1, because his scoring numbers, assists numbers, etc, were always leading to wins. They weren’t empty stat fluff. Wade becoming a 2, was because his game and LeBrons game required one of them to be the ball dominant player in Spo’s system. The growing pains came from Wade NATURALLY not knowing how to become the sidekick, after carrying Miami for so long. You can’t take away the 2006 title no matter what. Wade as a one got them a title before Bron. Wade was a good enough scorer, playmaker and defender to be a floor raiser.
What lucky voodoo happened in 2006 that allowed Wade to lead his team in most metrics to the finals and a title? He’s just a natural 2 who got lucky?
ABlackMan
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Think about KD Harden and Kyrie
nikka would be even scarier with a few more inches in height
Caught myself before I typed a
commentPau was a career loser before he got to the Lakers. Now he's been elevated to a Laker Legend, and I think rightfully so. But compare his career trajectory to Love and Bosh, they were both better players before teaming up with a certain someone
Before Pau got to help 7-55 Kobe, Kobe lost to the pistons that had no stars. Then he is missed the playoffs, got eliminated in first round, raped white women(allegedly), and cried and to be traded.