If America Falls, Which Nation Would Take It's Place?

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

This country has been #1 in (nearly) all aspects of civilization for almost a century. If it were to turn into one of several failed Nations around the globe, which other Nation would be the objective best to take it's place and why?

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By poaching from everywhere and using it's original sin to catapult it into the stratosphere. America was built to supposedly combat Imperialism and classism but started off by subjugating human beings and committing mass genocide. Then went and fought the likes of Nazis only to give some refuge in return for their cranial assets. The whites who built America wanted to limit the power of big government to escape being permanently underclassed by the likes of ruling families in Europe. This idea is what the greatness of America is built on despite the obvious hypocrisy of subjugating others in the process. For all it's faults as a society America has still championed the idea of equality in a way that other Big Nations in the world do not.

To answer your question the nation that would take it's place would be China. Ushering in an era of totalitarianism by mere influence. whoever leads the world as a nation ends up having a pervasive influence in other societies down to politics. For as much as I dislike parts of America I see no better leader in a world dominated by stupid human beings. Simply because America still values freedoms in a way many of the other leading nations don't.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

By poaching from everywhere and using it's original sin to catapult it into the stratosphere.

You have this country conflated with European & Arab Nations and let's not act like African Nations prior to colonization never had their own share of predations, slavery, hypocrisy, classism, & genocides that are STILL occurring, today. They just didn't benefit from them due to geography and multiple ethnic groups fighting/wars, not some perverted sense of 'moral superiority'.

America came to prominence as a direct result of WW2/industrialization + the fact that Europe and Russia were so devastated by it being fought on their soil they could no longer project their influence to the same extent as they had previously.​

To answer your question the nation that would take it's place would be China. Ushering in an era of totalitarianism by mere influence. whoever leads the world as a nation ends up having a pervasive influence in other societies down to politics. For as much as I dislike parts of America I see no better leader in a world dominated by stupid human beings. Simply because America still values freedoms in a way many of the other leading nations don't.

Well, that puts China out of the running....unless a dystopian future is the ONLY way for humanity to survive a collapse of civilization that'd take this country down. Perhaps YOU should become a citizen here and get involved in politics to show them how it should be done instead of throwing rocks from your glass home?​

 

[RickyDiBiase]

The EU could be a competing superpower if they integrate more

Russia has been going overboard trying to get the EU to be split up

 

[Devilinurear]

Honestly I think egypt is ready for a come back

 

[Harry B]

No country probably.

European Union and China at the forefront. Large nations with regional dominance ambitions like Brazil, India, Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Japan up there too.

The US so far ahead in military prowess, US dollar and influence that makes it possible.

It would probably go back to a time where US, UK, Ottoman, Russian Empire, Japan, Germany all were equally strong

 

[Alvin]

Country hasn’t fallen yet and won’t I think one of the joint chiefs of staff or the head of the army said they had plans to take out Trump (non violent) if he went to far. The world as a whole is reliant on America in different ways, if we went bankrupt or ceased to exist the world economy would be screwed. China would have to pick up the tab and if that happens LOL.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The EU could be a competing superpower if they integrate more

Doubtful. Each of the EU's Nations have their own interests. Occasionally they cooperate, but they've existed far longer than America and have yet to integrate to an extent that they all have the same interests. Barring some catastrophe, I don't see them banding together anytime soon.​

 

[Cynic]

That won't happen until/unless there's a global threat. COVID gave us a sample of what that might look like, but that's not really what I was asking. Is there ANY one Nation that is capable of taking America's spot in the immediate future should this country turn into, for example, Somalia or Yemen?​

This is the sentiment of the British before ww2 and the dutch before the brits. Every empire falls - It might not fall while we are alive but as of now it's Pax Americana.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You have this country conflated with European & Arab Nations and let's not act like African Nations prior to colonization never had their own share of predations, slavery, hypocrisy, classism, & genocides that are STILL occurring, today.

This is a European country and has become a global leader via the subjugation of human capital and the theft of indigenous people’s land via rape and pillage….. aka colonialism…

China is next….. they actually have an economy built on the production of tangible goods….

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This is the sentiment of the British before ww2 and the dutch before the brits. Every empire falls - It might not fall while we are alive but as of now it's Pax Americana.

That was ALL before the world became critically interconnected to the point where one screw-up in the supply chain would be disastrous. Now, if one falls, so does everything else.​

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Now, if one falls, so does everything else.

Nah… well, it depends on the product…

 

[Geek Nasty]

The US isn't close to falling off like people think, but there's doesn't have to be a "next." China is too dependent on industrial espionage then turning around and selling copies back to the West. India too 3rd world at this point. Germany is in a transition. UK too small and fukked up with Brexit.

Brazil could turn into a powerhouse in maybe 50 years, but it's going to take a while. They're a little like India.

Everyone if fixated on the US economic issues not realizing most of the rest of the industrialized world is in worse shape. I was watching some videos on credit default swaps, we'll be on top for a long while.

 

[JNew]

China but it would be short lived.

 

[Cave Savage]

Russia has been going overboard trying to get the EU to be split up

Doubtful. Each of the EU's Nations have their own interests. Occasionally they cooperate, but they've existed far longer than America and have yet to integrate to an extent that they all have the same interests. Barring some catastrophe, I don't see them banding together anytime soon.​

I think the Russia problem is precisely why a strong EU army could emerge. Especially if Trump wins and leaves Europe to fend for themselves.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This is a European country and has become a global leader via the subjugation of human capital and the theft of indigenous people’s land via rape and pillage….. aka colonialism…

China is next….. they actually have an economy built on the production of tangible goods….

This country stopped being 'European' a bit after the War of Independence almost 300 years ago and didn't become a world leader until WW2, 200 years later, which was what pushed America into the #1 spot. The other historical nods, while important, were not. Matter of fact, we'd have been FURTHER along without them.....

How Slavery Hurt the U.S. Economy

Slave labor prevented American capitalism from becoming more efficient more quickly.

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You DIRECTLY benefit from the same colonialism you decry so it's a bit hypocritical of you to characterize it negatively, but I get the sentiment.​