If African Americans were allowed to keep their original African culture..

[BigMan]

It would be a more militant version of Orixa stuff.

that doesn't make sense

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Didn't Richard Allen and Bishop Henry Mcneal Turner come before though?

they did but they didn't create/spark any black supremist based, judea-christian/islamic based, movements

 

[JahFocus CS]

No, because we wouldn't be confused. Those groups exist because we are a confused people. They may have kernels of truth here and there but that's about it.

 

[JahFocus CS]

that doesn't make sense

It does make sense -- he's saying we would be using cultural/religious elements within our original traditions to combat the forces against us, not elements from traditions forced on us.

 

[ba'al]

they did but they didn't create/spark any black supremist based, judea-christian/islamic based, movements

Ehhh. Yeah I see it but Bishop Henry Mcneal Turner was teaching that Christ was black and so were god and all the prophets. But I do think all these different leaders and doctrine sort of bled into one another.

 

[BigMan]

It does make sense -- he's saying we would be using cultural/religious elements within our original traditions to combat the forces against us, not elements from traditions forced on us.

It doesn't. NOI/black hebrews is a completely different ideology than orisha

 

[ba'al]

It does make sense -- he's saying we would be using cultural/religious elements within our original traditions to combat the forces against us, not elements from traditions forced on us.

So why do you think African Traditional spirituality aren't the predominant religions in Africa. The Abrahamic faiths are the predominant ones on the continent. Why hasn't that theory worked in full over there. It was a actual somalian on this board who was talking down on African tradtional spiritual beliefs and called them pagans.

 

[JahFocus CS]

It doesn't. NOI/black hebrews is a completely different ideology than orisha

I agree, I'm saying NOI and Black Hebrews do not have origins in our traditional African belief systems. They are grounded in religious/cultural elements foreign to West Africa that were forced on us.

 

[JahFocus CS]

So why do you think African Traditional spirituals religions aren't the predominant religions in Africa. The Abrahamic faiths are the predominant ones.

Western economic and cultural power / Cultural imperialism
Colonialism
Missionaries

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Are you proud of that c00n hebrew shyt, son?

 

[SirReginald]

Most of these groups have a connection though if you search extensively.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Ehhh. Yeah I see it but Bishop Henry Mcneal Turner was teaching that Christ was black and so were god and all the prophets. But I do think all these different leaders and doctrine sort of bled into one another.

yes, he did but I wouldn't say he was a black supremacist in the way noble drew/elijah were, later

 

[IllmaticDelta]

nikka please, that's no different then Mormons believing negroes are cursed demons and look up when noi was funded, how can you not believe in shyt like that when all that bullshyt was going on at the time. Also, you bringing up shyt from a trillion years ago, don't nobody seriously go around pushing that yakub shyt no more.

facts

 

[ba'al]

yes, he did but I wouldn't say he was a black supremacist in the way noble drew/elijah were, later

I agree but he was a nationalist but not a supremacist I see your point. I don't think he ever talked about white people being lesser or evil. But he taught that we should reconnect to africa and develop and have a nation to ourselves.

 

[Samori Toure]

If Blacks kept African tradition, there would be bloodshed and revolution. There would be no America.

Why do you think we were converted to Christianity by force?

The roots of Christianity was planted in Kongo and Angola as far back as the 1480's, which was even before Columbus stumble bummed his ass into the New World. Most slaves were not even shipped to the Americas until between the years 1600 and 1790, so many of the people of Kongo and Angola were already Christian when they go the Americas.

African Christianity in Kongo | Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Fwiw, most slave owners during the majority of the period of slavery did not care that the slaves were not Christian. In fact many slave owners provided their Muslim slaves with Korans. Most of this conversion junk did not happen until the "Second Great Awakening", which was in the 1800's. Many abolitionists pushed it on the slaves during that period.

Religious Transformation and the Second Great Awakening [ushistory.org]

From the 1600's and into the 1800's there are multiple examples of the slave owners not caring what religions their slaves had, including Islam. Many slave owners actually provided their slaves with Korans and some of those Korans have been donated to major universities throughout this Country. The Muslims seem to be the slaves that were forcibly converted by force to Christianity by the English, Portuguese and Spanish in the Americas and that was probably due to the Muslims constantly leading slave revolts.