If African Americans were allowed to keep their original African culture..

[BigMan]

And I asked why did he single out AAs? You flipped you position like 5 times now.

You nikkas play games I swear. I hate a nikka that can't admit when the wrong.

i honestly have no idea why you can't understand what i'm saying but i'm off this because yall are going to turn this into something its not. OP's question is very clear to me. he singled out AAs because those organizations he mentioned were/are AA organizations.

Many AA Sunni Muslims have mad respect for the NOI. Lately there's been some controversy in certain communities because many AA Muslims stood with the NOI against immigrant Muslims and white converts who were unfairly critical of the NOI.

This AA imam from NJ, Shadeed Muhammad, addressed these issues in a long talk:

this guy spoke at my school

some jews were heckling and he basically told them to come see him and everyone cheered.

 

[Jean Jacket]

Some of ya'll are coming across like "slavery wasn't so bad" Roy Moore type c00ns.

Some African people may have had contact with Christianity and western culture but there is no way everybody was singing Kumbaya and wanting to stay in America in bondage and refused to fight back.

 

[ba'al]

i honestly have no idea why you can't understand what i'm saying but i'm off this because yall are going to turn this into something its not. OP's question is very clear to me. he singled out AAs because those organizations he mentioned were/are AA organizations.

This is circular reasoning but I'm happy you letting it go espeially after you said those groups didn't have leaders in the west indies most came to america to spread their doctrine. Just like Garvey.

 

[Samori Toure]

Thanks...your latter references are supportive of my statement that slaves were forced into western religion to break them.

No slave owner wants to liberate the mind and soul of a slave...especially during American slavery. It was a control.

I don't need a reference from a museum or western publication to reinforce the fact that Africans were made docile and mentally and spiritually broken.

Mansa Musa was muslim traditionalist and the Mali Empire flourished and triumphed under his rule even during The Crusades. So abrahamic religion alone isn't foreign to successful African societies. It matters who controls the narrative.

African people are not like white people, they had to make us more like them so we lost the will to fight and hate our past ways.

It still goes on today.

African religions survived in the New World. Everybody knows about stuff like VooDoo, Mojo and JuJu.

NOT ALL slaves were forced into Christianity. Not even the Muslims. There were still Muslims practicing Islam in the USA well into the 1900's, especially in South Carolina and in Georgia; which maybe where the roots of the modern Nation of Islam took root.

There are lots good books on the subject, many of which were written by Black Muslims if you care to read on the subject.

African Muslims in Early America
Research Guides: Muslims in Early Georgia: Introduction

 

[cjlaw93]

If Blacks kept African tradition, there would be bloodshed and revolution. There would be no America.

Why do you think we were converted to Christianity by force?

Na Africans is p*ssy ..it would’ve been even worse for us

 

[Samori Toure]

Some of ya'll are coming across like "slavery wasn't so bad" Roy Moore type c00ns.

Some African people may have had contact with Christianity and western culture but there is no way everybody was singing Kumbaya and wanting to stay in America in bondage and refused to fight back.

If at least half of all slaves brought to the Americas were from Kongo and Angola then isn't that more than SOME African people?

I keep telling you that people of Kongo and Angola were Christians long before there was ever a nation called the USA. Christianity came in trade to Kongo and Angola, just like Islam came in trade to the people of Senegambia and Mali.

The slaves of Kongo and Angola were not singing no damn Kumbaya or no shyt like that either. In fact the the people of Kongo and Angola conducted one of the largest slave rebellions on English territory.

https://www.theroot.com/the-stono-slave-rebellion-was-nearly-erased-from-us-his-1790854336
Stono rebellion | American slave rebellion [1739]

That kumbaya shyt that you are talking about is in recent time which stemmed from shyt that started during the "Second Great Awakening."

 

[JahFocus CS]

The roots of Christianity was planted in Kongo and Angola as far back as the 1480's, which was even before Columbus stumble bummed his ass into the New World. Most slaves were not even shipped to the Americas until between the years 1600 and 1790, so many of the people of Kongo and Angola were already Christian when they go the Americas.

The roots of Christianity were planted in the Congo and Angola by fukking missionaries and colonists. Stop it breh. João I converted for political expedience. Furthermore, that nikka and his circle took on cac names and allowed the slave trade to start up with Europeans.

Christianity did not independently establish itself in West or Central Africa like it did in East Africa. The only contact West and Central Africa had with Christianity was through proto-colonialism and colonialism. Unless you can show some evidence of Ethiopian/East African emissaries introducing it

 

[Concerning VIolence]

The NOI has to be respected.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

You right. A lot of people diss black movements and organizations here. That's why I think it's silly especially when a lot of these black organizations have reached out to the dispora. Pan-Africanism started in the west.

Obviously Pan-Africanism started in the diaspora. Africans prior to the 20th century didn't have a unilateral continental identify that could make way for a Pan-Afrcanism to exist.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

So why do you think African Traditional spirituality aren't the predominant religions in Africa. The Abrahamic faiths are the predominant ones on the continent. Why hasn't that theory worked in full over there. It was a actual somalian on this board who was talking down on African tradtional spiritual beliefs and called them pagans.

Same reason English and French are official government languages in many countries there.

Colonialism.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Christianity did not independently establish itself in West or Central Africa like it did in East Africa

Yup. People reaching with the Ethiopian connection. Our ancestors were not Christians, point blank.

Same as Islam. Some of Africa's Muslim majority countries and ethnic groups emerged independently of Arab exploitation

Berbers and Tuaregs introduced Islam to Mali for instance..

Others were obvously cases of arab colonialism and coercion through kingdoms or sultanates (for instance Zanzibar or the arab slave trade).

Now an unestimated number of our ancestors could have definitely been and were infact Muslims.


Also what people forget about traditional African religions is if they're not entirely dropped is that it's often intermixed with the major religion. I don't know what it honestly means when an African country's demographics says only 20% of the population practices traditional African religion.

 

[Samori Toure]

The roots of Christianity were planted in the Congo and Angola by fukking missionaries and colonists. Stop it breh. João I converted for political expedience. Furthermore, that nikka and his circle took on cac names and allowed the slave trade to start up with Europeans.

Christianity did not independently establish itself in West or Central Africa like it did in East Africa. The only contact West and Central Africa had with Christianity was through proto-colonialism and colonialism. Unless you can show some evidence of Ethiopian/East African emissaries introducing it

It came in trade. Kongo and Portugal were trade partners first. It is no different than how Islam got to Senegambia and Mali from North Africa.

I get it. People of African descent want to believe (with legit reasoning) that Christianity was so much more evil to Africans than say Islam. But Islam has been pretty shytty to Africans too.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

People of African descent want to believe (with legit reasoning) that Christianity was so much more evil to Africans than say Islam. But Islam has been pretty shytty to Africans too.

this

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Some of ya'll are coming across like "slavery wasn't so bad" Roy Moore type c00ns.

noone said that

Some African people may have had contact with Christianity and western culture but there is no way everybody was singing Kumbaya and wanting to stay in America in bondage and refused to fight back.

christianity isn't any worse than islam....and the religion itself didn't make slaves docile

 

[Bawon Samedi]

AAs already have a small pocket of African cultures especially in the deep rural areas of the South. @Supper your thoughts?