If African Americans were allowed to keep their original African culture..

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You got a source for this? Sounds more like romanticism than actual history. Tribalism was always a factor from my research and still is to this day.
15 facts on African religions | OUPblog

Traditional African religion and other religions - Wikipedia


Also, I do NOT deny that tribalism has been a factor. My point is that we did have some tolerance. I also will say that I can't go deeper on this because I haven't done my research thoroughly. Just skimmed through it here and there.
 

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AAs aren’t a monolith but a lot of the practices throughout the diaspora had similarities regardless of the tribe our ancestors came from just different names. Look at libations for example.
True. Also, I had an old head tell me that it leads to the same thing. Many of our people did mix syncretism into their belief systems.
 

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I did the:mjpls:smiley because those africans were already practicing non-native, african religion(s) before they even got to the Americas since some were making a big deal about them being Christianized like Islamicized is any different or better:mjpls:

The Brits imported a lot of slaves that they described as “East Indian Negroes” that already knew how to speak fluent English and were Christians.
 

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Unrelated shyt you just googled. A damn wikipedia page and a blog post. How you have 800+ stolen pdfs of books but never cite them breh you actually be derailing a lot threads unknownigly with you vague smart dumb generalizing. Why do you always feel the need to be a part of a topic or conversate you know little about .
Also, I do NOT deny that tribalism has been a factor.
You backtracking you literally did right here.
This inter-fighting didn't start until colonizers/slave masters created animosity between us. At one time we just practiced our faith in peace.

My point is that we did have some tolerance.
Give me a source.

I also will say that I can't go deeper on this because I haven't done my research thoroughly. Just skimmed through it here and there.
I already know you do this shyt all the time you flip flop and lie so much. One minute you said you was studying torah but didn't know about the first book genisis and then you claim to be studying Dr.York. It's a lot more examples but bruh stop it. You be half ass knowing information just stop.

Just look at the Louisiana Creole for example. Most of them are Catholic and mix Vodoun into their practice.
This shyt is a lie too most don't practice vodoun most are just Christians. Only a small minute amount actually practice louisana vodou. This is just plan misinformation same for the creole people in the islands that's just a general stigma.


 

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Unrelated shyt you just googled. A damn wikipedia page and a blog post. How you have 800+ stolen pdfs of books but never cite them breh you actually be derailing a lot threads unknownigly with you vague smart dumb generalizing. Why do you always feel the need to be a part of a topic or conversate you know little about .

You backtracking you literally did right here.



Give me a source.


I already know you do this shyt all the time you flip flop and lie so much. One minute you said you was studying torah but didn't know about the first book genisis and then you claim to be studying Dr.York. It's a lot more examples but bruh stop it. You be half ass knowing information just stop.


This shyt is a lie too most don't practice vodoun most are just Christians. Only a small minute amount actually practice louisana vodou. This is just plan misinformation same for the creole people in the islands that's just a general stigma.

Don't want any trouble :hubie: Just gonna see myself out not gonna try to make anymore enemies no beef.
 

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Don't want any trouble :hubie: Just gonna see myself out not gonna try to make anymore enemies no beef.
It ain't even like that JJG. I don't have any problems with you just wish you would stop speaking on topics like these with half ass answers.
 

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The Brits imported a lot of slaves that they described as “East Indian Negroes” that already knew how to speak fluent English and were Christians.

also


Virginia's first Africans spoke Bantu languages called Kimbundu and Kikongo. Their homelands were the kingdoms of Ndongo and Kongo, regions of modern-day Angola and coastal regions of Congo. Both were conquered by the Portuguese in the 1500s. The Africans mined tar and rock salt, used shells as money and highly valued their children, holding initiation ceremonies to prepare them for adulthood.

And they most likely had been baptized as Christians, because the kingdom of Ndongo converted to Christianity in 1490. Many were literate. This background may be one reason some of Virginia's first Africans won their freedom after years as indentured servants, the historians said.

The Portuguese and Catholic roots figure prominently on a glass wall in the new gallery at the Jamestown Settlement. Mareo, Christian, Nando, Acquera, Palmena, Cuba, Salvo -- they are among 400 African names engraved on the wall, one for each anniversary year.

Mystery of Va.'s First Slaves Is Unlocked 400 Years Later
 

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I'm going to make a thread about the Kongolese soon because it will dispel a lot of notions but to add on:

These slaves, rather than the small mixed-race communities around European trading posts, were the source of most early Atlantic Creoles with Iberian surnames in North America. Many were Christian, were multi-racial and multi-lingual, and familiar with some aspects of European culture. The Dutch colonies in South America, the Caribbean and New York were also populated by numerous enslaved Atlantic Creoles from the Kingdom of Kongo.[8]

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I'm going to make a thread about the Kongolese soon because it will dispel a lot of notions but to add on:



Atlantic Creole - Wikipedia


yup...many of the early virginia, angolan slaves had Portuguese sounding names. This is where the fake Portuguese origin of the Melungeons comes from


Among the Portyghee

No wonder that, today, the children of segregation-era Melungeons report a familial anxiety about going dark in the sun. But, in a narrow respect, Plecker may have been right—at least according to one purported solution to the origin mystery. In 2012 a DNA study disclosed that those Melungeons who took part descended largely from African men and white European women. That corresponds with research by Tim Hashaw, a Texan author who has traced the line to a cargo of Africans delivered to Jamestown in 1619—a year before the arrival of the Mayflower. Coincidentally or otherwise, the itinerary of those souls echoes some Melungeon myths: they were captured by Portuguese raiders in Angola, then poached by English pirates.

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Some were indentured servants, not lifelong vassals: chattel slavery had yet to be codified. At liberty, some such early arrivals married white serving-women.

As Mr Hashaw says, accounts of this period in which blacks appear only as slaves are “not the real story”: there were free black people in the colonies from the beginning. This episode also dispels another simplification, in which mixed-race relationships were publicly tolerated only recently. In truth, attitudes were more open in the mid-17th century than they were for most of the 20th. And, while feelings are hard to discern across centuries, unlike the innumerable master-slave rapes that followed, these intermarriages seem to have been voluntary.

Before long, alas, sentiments and laws sharpened, until interracial couples risked fearsome punishments. Still, the Melungeons offer an insight into a lost but documented history in which America’s race relations were less hierarchal than they shortly became.

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MALUNGU: The African Origin of the American Melungeons


THE MALUNGU STORY IN A NUTSHELL

The original Melungeon community began among the Angolans arriving in Virginia in the early 1600s. These Africans called themselves malungu from 1620 through 1700 when the first generations of Kimbundu-speaking Angolan arrivals in Virginia were still alive. By the 1660s, the exclusive Angolan malungu community had begun extending to include the mixed descendants of whites and Indians who were intermarrying into their families.

Then, in the 1670s the Virginia legislature started enacting a series of laws restricting certain rights of free Angolans. Previously the African ancestors of the Melungeons had enjoyed full civil liberties as freemen once they had served their few years in indenture. Free blacks could purchase white servants to work their growing farms. In1670 the Virginia legislature forbade free African-Americans from owning white servants. In 1691, Virginia outlawed the manumission of slaves and black and white intermarriages. In 1705, Virginia denied slaves the ability to pay for their freedom when it seized their farm stock, which certain slave owners had allowed them to raise.

These laws require that virtually all African-Americans who were not slaves in Virginia after 1720 were born of free black ancestors: ancestors who were almost exclusively the original Angolans of the earlier 1600s who had already earned their freedom from indentured servitude. These legislative restrictions on the freedom of the black ancestors of Melungeon began to isolate their mixed descendants as early as 1670.

The name "Melungeon" began as the ethnic identification "malungu" which Angolans of the 1600s used to describe themselves. As these Angolans became isolated by hostile laws at the end of the 17th century and as they accepted intermarriage with whites and Indians, the name malungu changed into the word used by white settlers to describe the mixed descendants of Angolan, white and Indian ancestors: the Angolan name "Malungu" became the anglicized "Melungeon".


MALUNGU: The African Origin of the American Melungeons - Tim Hashaw - Eclectica Magazine v5n3
 

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yup...many of the early virginia, angolan slaves had Portuguese sounding names. This is where the fake Portuguese origin of the Melungeons comes from

This article that I am posting is actually not entirely true, because there were Africans already in the Americas since 1400 and 1500's. However, I assume that the writer meant slaves from Africa; which is different than the indentured servants (like John Punch) that had been bought to the USA before these people.

Virginia's First Africans

Virginia's first Africans arrived at Point Comfort, on the James River, late in August 1619. There, "20. and odd Negroes" from the English ship White Lion were sold in exchange for food and some were transported to Jamestown, where they were sold again, likely into slavery. Historians have long believed these Africans to have come to Virginia from the Caribbean, but Spanish records suggest they had been captured in a Spanish-controlled area of West Central Africa. They probably were Kimbundu-speaking people, and many of them may have had at least some knowledge of Catholicism. While aboard the São João Bautista bound for Mexico, they were stolen by the White Lion and another English ship, the Treasurer. Once in Virginia, they were dispersed throughout the colony. The number of Virginia's Africans increased to thirty-two by 1620, but then dropped sharply by 1624, likely because of the effects of disease and the Second Anglo-Powhatan War (1622–1632). Evidence suggests that many were baptized and took Christian names, and some, likeAnthony and Mary Johnson, won their freedom and bought land. By 1628, after a shipload of about 100 Angolans was sold in Virginia, the Africans' population jumped dramatically.


Africans, Virginia's First




When you click on the article and read in greater detail of the Origins this is what it states:

Origins

The discovery by the historian Engel Sluiter of Spanish records linking the slaves sold in Virginia to the attack on the São João Bautista discredits earlier theories that the Africans had been not been brought directly to the Chesapeake from Africa. Instead, following the research of John K. Thornton, Virginia's first Africans may have been enslaved either in Kongo, south of the mouth of the Congo (or Zaire) River, or in region just to the south. This is where Portuguese (and by 1618–1619 under Spanish rule) authorities were taking advantage of the disturbed politics in an Mbundu region in the watershed of the Kwanza River. Most likely they were captured from the forces of the nearby Ndongo polity, where in 1618 and 1619 the governor of Angola, Luis Mendes de Vasconçelos, fighting alongside a ruthless African mercenary group called the Imbangala, led two campaigns against the Kimbundu-speaking people of the region. Thousands were captured and likely provided the cargoes for six Portuguese slave ships from Angola that arrived in Vera Cruz between June 18, 1619, and June 21, 1620.

The Ndongo people lived largely in rural areas where they raised crops such as millet and sorghum and tended cattle. There was one densely populated political center, the city of Angoleme, which in 1564 seems to have had 20,000 to 30,000 residents living in 5,000 to 6,000 thatched houses. These people may have had come contact with Jesuit missionaries, and the Portuguese required that slaves be baptized before they arrived in America, a pro forma gesture that did not necessarily result in the Africans bringing with them Christian practices.

In the decades that followed, most slaves arriving in Virginia through the slave trade were captured not by Europeans but by other Africans who sold them to the Europeans at markets. As a result, slaves suffering through the Middle Passage often hailed from different regions and villages, spoke different languages, and abided by different social, political, and religious customs. The Ndongo, by contrast, were captured more directly by the Portuguese and shared with one another a complex ethnic identity.

Some historians have argued that these first Africans may have been Christian, although it is unlikely that they were. A Virginia law, passed in 1670, defined as slaves-for-life all non-Christian servants brought to the colony "by shipping." Such servants were, almost without exception, Africans, suggesting an assumption on the part of lawmakers that Africans were, by definition, non-Christians. The law already precluded freedom through conversion, and in 1682 it expanded its description of slaves-for-life to include all non-Christian servants (in other words, Virginia Indians who were imported into the colony, in addition to Africans).

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Some of the twenty-one Africans listed in the 1624 muster had European names, suggesting that they had been baptized. This could have occurred prior to their leaving Africa or after they reached Virginia... .
 
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yup...many of the early virginia, angolan slaves had Portuguese sounding names. This is where the fake Portuguese origin of the Melungeons comes from

I was actually going to touch on this :wow:

I think we need a thread linking the Kongolese - Gullah peoples/Stono Rebellion - Spanish Florida/Black Seminole Wars- Melungeons - Free People of Color/Louisiana Creoles:whew:
A lot of patterns start to be come clear once you do that :mjgrin:

Education and literacy seemed to be much bigger indicators for revolution back then than a knowledge of "indigenous African cultures" :pachaha:
 

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I was actually going to touch on this :wow:

I think we need a thread linking the Kongolese - Gullah peoples/Stono Rebellion - Spanish Florida/Black Seminole Wars- Melungeons - Free People of Color/Louisiana Creoles:whew:
A lot of patterns start to be come clear once you do that :mjgrin:

Education and literacy seemed to be much bigger indicators for revolution back then than a knowledge of "indigenous African cultures" :pachaha:

History whitewashes a lot of stuff and now days White and Black Americans have convinced themselves that the slaves were docile, but just basic research shows that the slaves were not docile and that White people feared them, which explains why to this very day White people overreact to anything that Black people do; especially Black men. That overreaction is deep seated fear.

I remember reading an article years ago about the haplogroups of African Americans and why African American men paternal genetic markers were so heavily slanted towards the Central African Bantu people, but their maternal genetic markers were so heavily slanted towards West Africa. The scientist couldn't explain it, but I theorize that White people probably just stopped importing men people from Senegambia, because those men were probably extremely warlike and more than likely had no dealings with White people before slavery. Not that the Central African were not warlike, but they had had dealings with White people for a long period before slavery.
 

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I was actually going to touch on this :wow:

I think we need a thread linking the Kongolese - Gullah peoples/Stono Rebellion - Spanish Florida/Black Seminole Wars- Melungeons - Free People of Color/Louisiana Creoles:whew:
A lot of patterns start to be come clear once you do that :mjgrin:

facts

Education and literacy seemed to be much bigger indicators for revolution back then than a knowledge of "indigenous African cultures" :pachaha:

:lolbron:
 
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