Ice from Joe Budden podcast says Jay didn't take a L in the Nas beef

[Ziggiy]

The battle was underway before then and let’s not pretend like Nas was unaffected during the months before he even decided to respond to what was and still is one of the greatest diss records and debuts of all time.

Nas got the consensus but it wasn’t a wash. It was a heavyweight bout and Jay got caught with a haymaker after throwing one.

The comparing that to what happened to Drake, a fukking dog walking just because Drake is popular is lacking nuance 90% of the time it’s been done.

It was a wash. You can’t rewrite history

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Jay took an L and then he bounced back


I mean it’s possible to lose a battle and still do well in your career. That dude has grey in his beard so obviously he was around back then. You can say Jay lost that one battle and still be a Jay fan. Once people realize this we can move on from this tired ass topic.

 

[Biscayne]

20yrs later, and the opinions haven’t changed no matter what ppl want to revise. Jay took that L.

 

[SNG]

Lol, Jay Z didn't navigate the beef well initially also. A bad album in BP2 and again he needed the retirement headlines to drum up additional sales for the Black Album. I think the retirement announcement may have doubled the Black Album total sales success. Jay knew you can't be a "superstar" rapper and sell 1-2 million records at that time, 50, Em, Luda, Nelly, Outkast, Kanye all were doing more numbers wise at that time and the retirement gave him sales bump and time away from the spotlight to plan the next phase. The Def Jam presidency, Kanye and Beyonce affiliations/relationships kept him near the top and extended his longevity.

The black album was a great album. Him announcing his retirement didn’t change that album from being great and acclimated amongst the culture till this day. Hov is still regarded as one of the best in hip hop and on average is in the top best rapper of 50 - 60 percent of peoples list when you mention him more so than Nas. Nas is in one of my top 5 and ether did damage to Hov but not in the way Kendrick did to Drake. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

jay might have took the L in the public's eyes but jay had the better records in the beef imo. ether's impact was the shock value when it dropped...but if you listen to ether now it sounds so outdated and lyrically lazy. takeover and blueprint 2 are still good and have replay value.

 

[Roid Jones]

TBH there are Jay stans that refuse to accept the man lost, I've heard them say Jay won the battle because he married Beyonce

 

[SNG]

jay might have took the L in the public's eyes but jay had the better records in the beef imo. ether's impact was the shock value when it dropped...but if you listen to ether now it sounds so outdated and lyrically lazy. takeover and blueprint 2 are still good and have replay value.

Nah ether still is fire. Nas did what he needed to do lyrically to Jay on that track. nikka called this nikka a camel an it’s a running theme on this forum till this day.

 

[Ku$h Parker]

All im a say is that Hot 97 Interview and BP2 wasnt signs of a Confident Man who still sees a way to top/better the Impact of Ether

 

[bigde09]

When you think about it Jay is just like Drake.

Corny wave rider that took the biggest L in hip hop

He came back after Ether with shyt like this

 

[Chip Skylark]

Ok but the blow wasn’t crazy Jay still won Grammys and shyt after he lost that battle. He navigated the L well something that Drake isn’t doing to well. Plus didn’t Nas go to def jam at some point while he was president? So Jay lost the battle but in the end he won the war.

Drake was still the most streamed rapper of 2024.

Same way Jay lost and people still checked for him.

Both got their butts whooped and was fine after losing.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Not even drake fans are this delusional

Shiddddd

 

[SNG]

Drake was still the most streamed rapper of 2024.

Same way Jay lost and people still checked for him.

Both got their butts whooped and was fine after losing.

Ok but most of his streaming comes from his catalogue from previous. I’m talking what he’s dropped recently. Like this nikka is now testing the waters before he drops music now by doing little snippets and not putting his music on streaming platforms until he gets the reception he wants. He wasn’t doing none of that shyt before the battle.

No Face, House Keeping and Circadium rhythm would have been hits if it wasn’t for the battle.

 

[Cladyclad]

Nas stans just cant get over the fact nothing happened after his win.

Nas career went to shyt

While

Jay reached even higher heights. Not to mention siging him

Nas stans keep his career stuck pre 2002.

 

[SNG]

Nas stans just cant get over the fact nothing happened after his win.

Nas career went to shyt

While

Jay reached even higher heights. Not to mention siging him

Nas stans keep his career stuck pre 2002.

What are you talking about Nas career going to shyt he’s released a great body of work with the King’s disease series and also the Magic series. Just say you don’t like Nas my nikka it’s cool.

 

[Mastamimd]

What are you talking about Nas career going to shyt he’s released a great body of work with the King’s disease series and also the Magic series. Just say you don’t like Nas my nikka it’s cool.

That's all it is lol

He be up in every Nas thread too. nikka was just hyping up the worst member of the fukking Outlawz because he dissed Nas