I Want To Believe... But I Can't: The Official 2023 New York Yankees Off-season Thread

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The point of sharing that graph isn't to tell you that the Yankees aren't going to the playoffs.
That is obvious.

The point is to show you just how fast they fell off the cliff.
Been a pretty steady decline once we got into May. The sad thing is damn near everyone but the guys in charge saw this coming.
 

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Been a pretty steady decline once we got into May. The sad thing is damn near everyone but the guys in charge saw this coming.
I don't remember where I saw it or heard it, but there's a famous saying...

Something about a very wealthy man losing his fortune. And someone asks him "how did you lose your money?"
And the guy replies "Slowly, at first. Then all at once."

Maybe that applies to the Yankees here. They've been losing and treading water for years now.
And it finally came crashing down.
 

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I was looking forward to the yAAAnkees coming to town for Labor Day gearing up for another fall classic here in the H. This is just sad though
 

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I don't remember where I saw it or heard it, but there's a famous saying...

Something about a very wealthy man losing his fortune. And someone asks him "how did you lose your money?"
And the guy replies "Slowly, at first. Then all at once."

Maybe that applies to the Yankees here. They've been losing and treading water for years now.
And it finally came crashing down.
The foundation has been eroding for years. Hal slamming the brakes on getting Verlander in 2017 purely over money was the first time I got a genuinely bad feeling about the long term future of the team. The A-Rod 2012-16 stuff was all bad, but a feud between the front office and one guy isn’t the same as the whole team making all the wrong choices.

Then there was passing on trading for Cole at the cost of Adams, Frazier, and Andujar while trading for sonny gray & happ instead only to let Cole get to Houston as well.

Then passing on 2 stars in their prime who were exactly what the team needed after getting throttled by Boston in the playoffs in back to back home games to be eliminated only to spend the offseason dumpster diving and spending even more money than signing said stars would cost, which of course ended badly with all those guys they got besides DJ & Gio (the two cheapest ones with the least thought behind them) being the only ones who didn’t backfire.

Then they finally get in Cole A legit ace but go into 2021 with no shortstop, catcher, or left fielder and just 2 non righty batters.

Then they go into 2021 with no shortstop, catcher, left fielder, first baseman, centerfielder, or righty bats while leaning on a rotation of 4 righties with 3 of them coming off 2 year absences with throwing arm injuries. As the year goes on they give up valuable prospects for shytty players to save face and it ends badly vs Boston in the playoffs again.

Then they respond by blaming the players, taking no accountability for poor roster construction, and trading a good young third baseman for a super washed up one with a bad attitude on an awful contract so they can get a third baseman with a terrible bat and a noodle arm to play a position he can’t play and go into the year still with no shortstop, catcher, left fielder, or centerfielder and have maybe the worst trade deadline any team has ever had as the season slowly comes off the rails. Then they once again take no responsibility for the season coming off the rails and make no effort to fix anything going into 2023.

Did you ever hit the nail on the head. Starts slowly, and then all at once. It’s been decades of neglecting the farm and allowing an awful GM to build a rotten culture of no accountability while the owner is content to do no upkeep on the house his old man left for him even as cracks show in the foundation. Same thing with a car you don’t take care of in any capacity beyond filling the gas tank. Eventually the whole thing goes at once.
 

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The foundation has been eroding for years. Hal slamming the brakes on getting Verlander in 2017 purely over money was the first time I got a genuinely bad feeling about the long term future of the team. The A-Rod 2012-16 stuff was all bad, but a feud between the front office and one guy isn’t the same as the whole team making all the wrong choices.

Then there was passing on trading for Cole at the cost of Adams, Frazier, and Andujar while trading for sonny gray & happ instead only to let Cole get to Houston as well.

Then passing on 2 stars in their prime who were exactly what the team needed after getting throttled by Boston in the playoffs in back to back home games to be eliminated only to spend the offseason dumpster diving and spending even more money than signing said stars would cost, which of course ended badly with all those guys they got besides DJ & Gio (the two cheapest ones with the least thought behind them) being the only ones who didn’t backfire.

Then they finally get in Cole A legit ace but go into 2021 with no shortstop, catcher, or left fielder and just 2 non righty batters.

Then they go into 2021 with no shortstop, catcher, left fielder, first baseman, centerfielder, or righty bats while leaning on a rotation of 4 righties with 3 of them coming off 2 year absences with throwing arm injuries. As the year goes on they give up valuable prospects for shytty players to save face and it ends badly vs Boston in the playoffs again.

Then they respond by blaming the players, taking no accountability for poor roster construction, and trading a good young third baseman for a super washed up one with a bad attitude on an awful contract so they can get a third baseman with a terrible bat and a noodle arm to play a position he can’t play and go into the year still with no shortstop, catcher, left fielder, or centerfielder and have maybe the worst trade deadline any team has ever had as the season slowly comes off the rails. Then they once again take no responsibility for the season coming off the rails and make no effort to fix anything going into 2023.

Did you ever hit the nail on the head. Starts slowly, and then all at once. It’s been decades of neglecting the farm and allowing an awful GM to build a rotten culture of no accountability while the owner is content to do no upkeep on the house his old man left for him even as cracks show in the foundation.

Baby bomber era was a huge flop

I remember when they passed on verlander and saying they didnt need him and “building for the future” not giving up guys like justus sheffield
Minus judge pretty much All of those build for the future guys are in the past or didnt amount to shyt
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Baby bomber era was a huge flop

I remember when they passed on verlander and saying they didnt need him and “building for the future” not giving up guys like justus sheffield
Minus judge pretty much All of those build for the future guys are in the past or didnt amount to shyt
:mjlol:
Torres is the only other guy who is still here among the position players. Severino is the only pitcher left from that team. Truly incredible how badly they botched this window the past 6 years. It’s also worth noting that by being an all around piece of shyt to judge last year cashman cost Hal probably $100 million extra on Judge’s contract since he didn’t offer him a fair deal in 2021 or 2022 like a smart GM would’ve done. A capable owner and GM would still have this team in the middle of a wide open window to compete. Stick and Watson built such a great core whole George put in the money to maintain it that even with cashman there the team contended for over a decade after they left the general manager’s office.

Meanwhile these two have been so bad that even if we got a new GM it might still be smart to trade Judge and Cole since by the time a good GM would have cleaned up cashman’s mess the two of them will be making $76 million a year while on the decline :francis:
 

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I don't remember where I saw it or heard it, but there's a famous saying...

Something about a very wealthy man losing his fortune. And someone asks him "how did you lose your money?"
And the guy replies "Slowly, at first. Then all at once."

Maybe that applies to the Yankees here. They've been losing and treading water for years now.
And it finally came crashing down.


They were in the ALCS last year ?
 

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I was looking forward to the yAAAnkees coming to town for Labor Day gearing up for another fall classic here in the H. This is just sad though
Yeah the Yankees will let you down. I remember in 2019 hoping for Yankees-Nats WS but had to settle for Stros instead. Oh well we won anyway :russ:
 

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They were in the ALCS last year ?
They were 50-46 over the final 96 games and from the month of July onward the offense outside of judge posted a .223/.292/.360 triple slash. In 2021 nobody besides Judge or Stanton had an average above .268 or an obp above .349 and last year besides judge nobody hit above .261 or had a .340 obp on the year. Pitching has been an issue for most of the past 20 years too. They never have more than 1 truly reliable starter at a time and cashman loves to fill the roster with declining and injury prone players who don’t fit well together. That’s not the sort of team that will age gracefully.
 
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They were 50-46 over the final 96 games and from the month of July the offense outside of judge posted a .223/.292/.360 triple slash. In 2021 nobody besides Judge or Stanton had an average above .268 or an obp above .349 and last year besides judge nobody hit above .261 or had a .340 obp. on the year. Pitching has been an issue for most of the past 20 years too. They never have more than 1 truly reliable starter at a time and cashman loves to fill the roster with declining and injury prone players who don’t fit well together. That’s not the sort of team that will age gracefully.

The triple a lineup would be the ones coming thru winning the games saving their asses last couple of seasons
Now thats their actual lineup and they suck
:mjlol:
 
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