I think we can all agree that these are the only men who hit KING OF NEW YORK status....

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The picking and choosing when sales counts is disgusting.

I just want to see the consistency. They’re going to then tell me Jay wasn’t king of NYC in 2006 because they didn’t like KC even though he had the biggest album.

I fukk with jigga but years prior and during mixtapes dictated everything.



Lil Wayne's remix of show me what you got was 1,000,000 bigger than jigga's version :hubie:

I think by like 03/04 maybe I wanna say nobody was buying rap albums from stores anymore....at least up here :manny:
 

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I fukk with jigga but years prior and during mixtapes dictated everything.



Lil Wayne's remix of show me what you got was 1,000,000 bigger than jigga's version
:hubie:

I think by like 03/04 maybe I wanna say nobody was buying rap albums from stores anymore....at least up here :manny:
False. Wayne version was left in 2006

While i hear jay version multiple times a year
 
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Yeah Biggie was the king of NY(1994-1997)until he died. Just because he didn’t drop in 1996 doesn’t mean he wasn’t the king.


You can’t be King in a year you didn’t drop ESPECIALLY when another NY rapper spent 4 consecutive weeks at number 1 becoming the first solo NY rapper to do so. Nas was THAT dude in 96. Biggie knew it

The Source knew it




Hov knew it

 

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It Was Written matched the level of Success Ready to Die had amassed by that point in a quarter of the time. He and Big were at the very least 1A and 1B that year.

Ready to Die was "only" double platinum by 96 and it took just over a year to hit that mark. It Was Written hit that mark in 2 months. Nas had two huge songs in if I Ruled the World and the Street Dreams remix and an album that may have gotten shunned by the rap nerds but was on fire with the same crowd that loved Biggie already (people forget it now, but rap nerds treated Biggie like the antichrist in 95/96, hence all the static he had with Boot Camp Clik and Jeru)
 
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Nas never placed above biggie and once 1998 hit he never placed above Jay

And cam & kiss never had it either. Same go for X. How u the king but not the headliner on tour?
This is Jay Z's super power

Headlining the tour he is not the draw for

Example


Roc Da Mic Tour


..... Promotional headliner: GRODT 50

Concert headliner: Jay Z

That was practically entirely promoted as a 50 Cent event in my region (Boston, Jam'n 94.5 Ramiro & Pebbles, every segment consistently pushed 50 for selling that show

Jay was hot off Crazy in Love

But that's a pop song

Which means it's perceived popularity is not it's actual popularity and people aren't going out to see Crazy in Love ... But they are going out to see In Da Club, P.I.M.P., Wanksta, Many Men, 21 Questions and Magic Stick


I didn't even read all of the posts in your string of conversation ... But ya


Jay Z was never 1996 Pac, 1998 DMX or 2003 50 Cent ... And based on his MO ... Him headlining a tour he isn't the draw for is par for the course
 

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I fukk with jigga but years prior and during mixtapes dictated everything.



Lil Wayne's remix of show me what you got was 1,000,000 bigger than jigga's version :hubie:

I think by like 03/04 maybe I wanna say nobody was buying rap albums from stores anymore....at least up here :manny:
What does Lil Wayne gotta do with a KONY discussion in 2006?
 

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This is Jay Z's super power

Headlining the tour he is not the draw for

Example


Roc Da Mic Tour


..... Promotional headliner: GRODT 50

Concert headliner: Jay Z

That was practically entirely promoted as a 50 Cent event in my region (Boston, Jam'n 94.5 Ramiro & Pebbles, every segment consistently pushed 50 for selling that show

Jay was hot off Crazy in Love

But that's a pop song

Which means it's perceived popularity is not it's actual popularity and people aren't going out to see Crazy in Love ... But they are going out to see In Da Club, P.I.M.P., Wanksta, Many Men, 21 Questions and Magic Stick


I didn't even read all of the posts in your string of conversation ... But ya


Jay Z was never 1996 Pac, 1998 DMX or 2003 50 Cent ... And based on his MO ... Him headlining a tour he isn't the draw for is par for the course
In 1998 jay z
Outsold dmx even though his album came out months later

Jay z album reviewed better (when we cared about reviews)

Jay won a grammy when X wasnt nominated

Jay z was the headliner

And Dmx was never considered a better rapper than jay z at any point of their careers and u can include 50 cent into that as well
So what metric are yall basing X being ahead of Jay
 

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IWW is the most successful unsuccessful album ever. The shyt elevated Nas career yet ruined at the same time. Nas has never recovered from IWW/Firm/Esco era

if Nas was the king in 96 why was the whole thing who gon step up since biggie died?

I know y’all like Nas but goddamn. The shyt documented
The Esco era didn't hurt Nas' stature - I Am and Nastradamus being weed plates did that.

The only people It Was Written hurt Nas with were the same people that were already hating on Biggie in real time anyway. Their opinions didn't have any standing on who the overall streets/culture was feeling. While a fringe of fans were calling Nas a sellout, the greater audience was feeling him the same way they did Biggie, hence why you have the (misguided but whatever) IWW>Illmatic stance that's emerged in the last 20 years and the 00/10s generations of rappers who talk about how It Was Written was their introduction to Nas and the album that inspired them.

Biggie's death made it okay for rap nerds to like him again...created that cognitive dissonance that you also see with Pac, where people will complain about gangsta rap, misogyny, and extravagant wealth bars but act like it's okay when it comes from those two :skip:

People who werent' from New York/too young or at the very least aren't willing to actually do the knowledge and listen to all the people were from NY and around at the time (like I've been doing my entire hip-hop fandom, being a '92 baby. half the people on this board think I'm a 70s baby :mjlol:) really need to sit these convos out lmao.
 
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The Esco era didn't hurt Nas' stature - I Am and Nastradamus being weed plates did that.

The only people It Was Written hurt Nas with were the same people that were already hating on Biggie in real time anyway. Their opinions didn't have any standing on who the overall streets/culture was feeling. While a fringe of fans were calling Nas a sellout, the greater audience was feeling him the same way they did Biggie, hence why you have the (misguided but whatever) IWW>Illmatic stance that's emerged in the last 20 years and the 00/10s generations of rappers who talk about how It Was Written was their introduction to Nas and the album that inspired them.

Biggie's death made it okay for rap nerds to like him again...created that cognitive dissonance that you also see with Pac, where people will complain about gangsta rap, misogyny, and extravagant wealth bars but act like it's okay when it comes from those two :skip:
Ok if the blow back from IWW didnt hurt Nas. Why was there questions who was gonna be the guy since Big died?
Nas just had a super successful album why wasn’t he just pencil into the top spot in 1997?
 

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Ok if the blow back from IWW didnt hurt Nas. Why was there questions who was gonna be the guy since Big died?
Nas just had a super successful album why wasn’t he just pencil into the top spot in 1997?
Biggie's death and the way Puff and Bad Boy instantly capitalized on that made it hard for Nas or anybody to have a case.

As much as we talk about whether Puff or Mase was KONY in 97...the real answer is Biggie posthumously. Bad Boy rode the wave to crazy heights :yeshrug: All Puff had to do was crash that motorcycle with his clumsy ass to capture New York's heart :mjlol:

Same way the west coast fell off after Pac died despite Snoop being arguably just as big if not bigger. You can't beat the type of publicity, love,a dn sympathy that comes from a big figure dying. It took a while for people to come off that.
 

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Biggie's death and the way Puff and Bad Boy instantly capitalized on that made it hard for Nas or anybody to have a case.

As much as we talk about whether Puff or Mase was KONY in 97...the real answer is Biggie posthumously. Bad Boy rode the wave to crazy heights :yeshrug: All Puff had to do was crash that motorcycle with his clumsy ass to capture New York's heart :mjlol:

Same way the west coast fell off after Pac died despite Snoop being arguably just as big if not bigger. You can't beat the type of publicity, love,a dn sympathy that comes from a big figure dying. It took a while for people to come off that.
Once again biggie died. The question was who gonna be the guy

Nas just had one of the biggest albums why wasnt he the guy?
 

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Once again biggie died. The question was who gonna be the guy

Nas just had one of the biggest albums why wasnt he the guy?
Because again, Mase and Puff rode the wave of Biggie's death immediately. Biggie dies and immediately Mase blows up with Harlem world off the strength of No Way Out and Biggie's ghost. With his success in 97 that made it a legitimate toss-up especially with Jay on the rise as well. Nas was inactive in 97 untl the Firm album, which he barely did much on anyway. Use your common sense, pay attention to timelines.

Words mean things. Actually listen to them.

Then again, you're not talking in good faith.
 

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Once again biggie died. The question was who gonna be the guy

Nas just had one of the biggest albums why wasnt he the guy?
Cause of the Bad Boy machine stupid. Biggie died and by extension all eyes was on what Bad Boy was doin. Mase helped Puff carry that label that year. All the features and new Bad Boy artists was getting more shine. Biggies death helped sell the dream. Alotta nikkas in the streets felt NY was too glossy in 97. Which is why DMX and later Jay Z became big factors in the first place.
 
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