I think Grime could blow up once they get good beats

[Poitier]

No, but Fela himself would tell you James Brown and other soul musicians gave him sauce

 

[mandelson]

 

[frush11]

Grime is a subgenre of Rap...it's just a distinctly British take on HipHop with Dancehall (some display it more than others) influences

Skepta on Grime

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...repost where I broke it down




The ragga influenced delivery is different.....

@ :29 midwest hiphop flow (twista)

@ 1:08 midwest Hiphop flow w/ British tinge (lethal b )

@1:50 midwest mixed with heavy dancehall ragga flow (gabby)




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straight midwest hiphop flow but with East Coast influence






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straight midwest hiphop flow but with East Coast influence
+ w/ british tinge




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southern hiphop chanting style





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southern hiphop chanting style w/ british tinge

Again while Hip-Hop was and is a strong influence. You can't call Grime, a Hip-Hop offshoot.
Because that would be negating the culture it comes from. Other than Rapping, the early Grime days musically and just on a presentation thing. Was pure Urban English Rave culture.

And honestly Skepta really shouldn't be used as a reference. Cause he was always an R&B/Rap guy.

Where as if you go to guys like Willey, Slimzee, the PAUG guys, and most off the original crews. They will tell a different story.


As for the style of mcing, the Ragga double time, outside off the Hip-Hop flow, was the style that influence the older Grime artist, not the Twista flow you referenced.

All that came from the Sound System days in the 80's. Which the original Jungle emcees came, who were really the Godfathers of the MC culture in England

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Again while Hip-Hop was and is a strong influence. You can't call Grime, a Hip-Hop offshoot.
Because that would be negating the culture it comes from. Other than Rapping, the early Grime days musically and just on a presentation thing. Was pure Urban English Rave culture.

Grime came out of the fusion of HipHop and House (Uk garage) music which was 2 Step Garage

this is came right before Grime and Dubstep...there is HipHop all in this

And honestly Skepta really shouldn't be used as a reference. Cause he was always an R&B/Rap guy.

Where as if you go to guys like Willey, Slimzee, the PAUG guys, and most off the original crews. They will tell a different story.

The 2nd video I posted is straight from the early days

As for the style of mcing, the Ragga double time, outside off the Hip-Hop flow, was the style that influence the older Grime artist, not the Twista flow you referenced.

All that came from the Sound System days in the 80's. Which the original Jungle emcees came, who were really the Godfathers of the MC culture in England

You gotta remember, they were doing HipHop/HipHouse before Jungle even came along

take one look at this video and you can see/hear the mixture(s) that made Grime

 

[IllmaticDelta]

you said yourself......"his style was subgenre" I dont know why you're even protesting. its like saying drill and trap are new genres when we both know they are subgenres of rap, one talks about drugs the other about violence. Stop nikka, just admit it damn

a substyle can turn into a new genre depending on marketing for example, Disco before it even had the name Disco was just a substyle of Soul and Funk that featured the 4/4 hissing hi hat

@ 7:16

 

[Harry B]

Again while Hip-Hop was and is a strong influence. You can't call Grime, a Hip-Hop offshoot.
Because that would be negating the culture it comes from. Other than Rapping, the early Grime days musically and just on a presentation thing. Was pure Urban English Rave culture.

And honestly Skepta really shouldn't be used as a reference. Cause he was always an R&B/Rap guy.

Where as if you go to guys like Willey, Slimzee, the PAUG guys, and most off the original crews. They will tell a different story.


As for the style of mcing, the Ragga double time, outside off the Hip-Hop flow, was the style that influence the older Grime artist, not the Twista flow you referenced.

All that came from the Sound System days in the 80's. Which the original Jungle emcees came, who were really the Godfathers of the MC culture in England

I don't understand how you can't call it a subgenre of hiphop if what Lil Jon did was.
Certain people call this the best "Grime" album and even one of the best "hiphop" albums of the 2000s, and while it has a completely different sound than other hiphop subgenres it still sounds like hiphop.




The fundamental difference is the production, just like G-funk or crunk.

 

[Sound (∀√a) Maths]

You don't understand Grime, cause you don't understand it's origins.... Grime comes from hiphop, jungle, and Garage.
Americans wont ever really be on the Grime shyt, cause they didn't grow up listening to the same shyt UK nikkas listened to.

yup

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't understand how you can't call it a subgenre of hiphop if what Lil Jon did was.
Certain people call this the best "Grime" album and even one of the best "hiphop" albums of the 2000s, and while it has a completely different sound than other hiphop subgenres it still sounds like hiphop.





The fundamental difference is the production, just like G-funk or crunk.

too much pride to admit their roots and debt to American music is the answer

 

[IllmaticDelta]

only on the coli would an idiot say this.... without the breakbeat and sampling, both American innovations, you lot would have no DNA

 

[IllmaticDelta]

how are UK and Africans and Jamaicans selling your own culture back to you? cos you never had the culture in the first place

If House, HipHop, R&B etc...never made it's way to the UK....popular UK music from Black Brits as we now know it, would never have materialized.


Are we going to act like the entire modern UK urban sound isn't based in American Electronica (House-techno-Garage), R&B and HipHop?

 

[tremonthustler1]

Y'all watching Noisey London on Viceland right now?

 

[Kitsch]

Y'all watching Noisey London on Viceland right now?

Is it any good?

 

[tremonthustler1]

Is it any good?

Flipping in and out of it. Giggs' part was pretty good.

 

[Vilified not verified]

Can we not compare Grime to a genre that was founded off the tears of innocent child molestation victims like Hip Hop was, the grime founders were not abusing little boys on some Bumbatty shyt

 

[WickedGames]

The irony of this thread is that to be honest I don't think Grime has even blown up in the UK. It doesn't sell crazy or fill up the biggest venues. It's still relatively very much street/ youth culture. There ain't been any number 1 grime tunes like that and only the last year or 2 grime has really make a comeback to relevant

Grime doesn't need to "blow up" in the US, stylistically it would be a big compromise to do that but getting a substantial amount of love and recognition / able to do shows etc is enough.