"I respect Puffy as a Businessman but as a musician, He HURT the artform "Dr Dre

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My name is isnt jack, that's a bad example, that would be considered a sample dig considering its placement in the original song.

Nuthin But A G Thang would be a better example, but even with that I would consider it an interpolation/borderline cover instead of a jack due to it being a replayed composition. Ice Cube's funk run is more of a jack/comparable to Diddy.
naw my name is is just a straight up loop unless it was interpolated then thats different. when i looked up the sample it was just a loop no chops or rearranging involved really except to differentiate the hook from the verse.
 

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Dr. Dre did the same shyt, matter of fact you can argue he hurt the artform the most not only with the lazy sampling but his promotion of gangsta rap

thats 100% facts he has a fetish for gangsta shyt which is honestly disgusting. but dre wasnt just finding popular songs that everyone would recognize and doing the bare minimum to them to get peoples attention off nostalgia.

listen to the original version of juicy pete rock produced vs the version diddy put out without giving him credit it basically the OG version.
 

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Dre wasn't remixing or repackaging pop song or.popular hits which were pop x huge hits and using nostalgia to cross over :wtb:

Where is puff was using some of the biggest hits of all time to make hits:martin:
.that's the diff ...some of the records dre hacked or used unless u was a music Head you would have no idea where or what it was from :manny:

Where is everyone of puffs major joints you would be like ayo I know this joint... so it made iss easily accessible to listeners.

It was a cheat code , but puff was a genius for it :yeshrug:

They both jacked but go back and look at dres discog and check whe songs sampled and work out which 1s were major selling records and major hits BEFORE he sampled em:sas1:

For the most part he was taking nothing and making then Somethin :sas2:
 
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naw my name is is just a straight up loop unless it was interpolated then thats different. when i looked up the sample it was just a loop no chops or rearranging involved really except to differentiate the hook from the verse.

The song it was sampled from contained more than just that loop/and different parts of it have been sampled differently a few times. All im saying is its more than just jacking a popular song (i.e Diddy). To find that sample/loop you had to do some work if you weren't already a fan of the song.
 

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Dre wasn't remixing or repackaging pop song or.popular hits which were pop x huge hits and using nostalgia to cross over :wtb:

Where is puff was using some of the biggest hits of all time to make hits:martin:
.that's the diff ...some of the records dre hacked or used unless u was a music Head you would have no idea where or what it was from :manny:

Where is everyone of puffs major joints you would be like ayo I know this joint... so it made iss easily accessible to listeners.

It was a cheat code , but puff was a genius for it :yeshrug:

They both jacked but go back and look at dres discog and check whe songs sampled and work out which 1s were major selling records and major hits BEFORE he sampled em:sas1:

For the most part he was taking nothing and making then Somethin :sas2:

This
 

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Bro. Are u one of them nikkas who argues to have the last word instead of listening? nikka there was Verzuz that had over a million viewers BEFORE Lox vs Dipset. They were breaking IG Live and had to do deals to increase the bandwidth. YOU DO NOT KNOW WTF U TALKING ABOUT. Verzuz started off as an IG live thing to help people get thru quarantine and the pandemic and it just kept growing. Lox and Dipset was huge but it got there based on what Verzuz was already doing for an entire year prior. This is easily researchable but u would rather argue to try to be right than take ur L and admit u were wrong. U a late nikka coming in trying to rewrite history bruh. Lol

Like Brandy and Monica didnt do a million...
 

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Dre only has a few beats that you could classify as straight loops - the rest are usually a collage of a bunch of different interpolations with live instrumentation and shyt thrown on top, too. As opposed to Diddy just slightly speeding up a top 10 hit and turning up the bass a little more. For instance Gin n Juice's basic beat is just a loop of I Get Lifted:



But then you add the iconic bassline, the keys and all the other little shyt and it's a totally new song.

Or What's My Name, which is like 8 different songs put together:

Intro:



Bassline:



Hook:
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A lot more creativity with how Dre did it.
 

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Here you go. Puffy shows up to the studio high on a lot of cocaine, lit as hell, bothering Pharrell while he in his workspace creating. Pharrell is a nice guy so he entertains him. The song is released and Puff has a writing credit. Yes, I definitely see how he’s on the level of a Dre or JD:unimpressed:





i totally get what you're saying but Puff was technically "producing" in that clip. He didn't press one button but he had the super-producer listening and following his lead :manny:
 

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The song it was sampled from contained more than just that loop/and different parts of it have been sampled differently a few times. All im saying is its more than just jacking a popular song (i.e Diddy). To find that sample/loop you had to do some work if you weren't already a fan of the song.
i know ima crate digger and make beats. and i just listened back to it again and dre actually added some chords and a pad on top of it so it makes his point even more valid.
 

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Dre wasn't remixing or repackaging pop song or.popular hits which were pop x huge hits and using nostalgia to cross over :wtb:

Where is puff was using some of the biggest hits of all time to make hits
.that's the diff ...some of the records dre hacked or used unless u was a music Head you would have no idea where or what it was from


:mjtf:

You think dr dre was sampling obscure records??

Dr dre and death row were abusing the hell out of 70s and funk nostalgia. You know how many casual and non-rap fans they picked up because of those samples they were using?

The samples may not have charted as high as some of the songs Puff sampled but that's mis-leading, because it was alot harder for black artists to get placement on the general chart back then, but lots of white folks still know most of that chit.

The same could be said for 90% of the big west coast records in general back then.

Also puff prolly has more hits using the more obscure samples than dr dre.
 
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