"I respect Puffy as a Businessman but as a musician, He HURT the artform "Dr Dre

[spliz]

Diddy was the most blatant sampler, remixer in the game. Most everyone else would replay, remaster, tweak samples. Puff would just lay vocals over it. Then he would take classic tracks like "Peter Piper" and give it to some 1 hit wonder girl group that I can't even remember.

Lazy and uninspiring.Hes a marketing genius not a musician. I'll take fukkin Eric Sermon over Puff!

That’s not the case because Trackmasters had a technique where they would take shyt apart in mad pieces and put it together from scratch. Which is why when other people would try to do the same thing it wouldn’t work out. They brought that technique to Puff.

 

[Wacky D]

Dre was too. Nuthin But A G Thang was a straight up loop. Amongst a bunch of other G Funk shyt he was doing. Lol.

THIS

 

[I love Latina women]

Or Havoc or Pete Rock etc etc.

Exactly

 

[pawdalaw]

That’s not the case because Trackmasters had a technique where they would take shyt apart in mad pieces and put it together from scratch. Which is why when other people would try to do the same thing it wouldn’t work out. They brought that technique to Puff.

I'm not speaking on track masters, im speaking on Puff. He's done plenty of blatant shyt, or gave the Greenlight to songs that shouldn't be classified as productions. Look how lackluster the joint he did with Mase was compared to Check yourself with Cube and Das. Puff got a lot of lazy hits under his belt.

 

[Wacky D]

True, although it shocked me when I learned the sample for Liquid swords was untouched from the original.

The old blue, soul, old vintage rnb - they're the real hero's.

Although there's something to say good about curation and picking the samples.
It's an artform in itself.

Yea RZA got some of those str8 loops as well.

INCARRCERATED SCARFACES.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Puffy never sampled shyt...as he don’t make beats. Dude shouldn’t even be in the conversation with Dre. In the case of people sampling shyt and not doing much to it or not chopping nothing up....who’s more skilled, the person that says sample this? Or the person that says sample this AND physically makes the beat? It don’t matter if Dre looped some shyt, did nothing and pressed export. Puffy ain’t even doing that. I can’t honor that. Everyone knows Dre has the reputation of a technician in the studio. What the fukk is Puffy doing? Smh, Dre probably insulted at all this talk of him and Puff

 

[African Peasant]

Now we're giving Diddy credit for the work done by the hitmen?

Diddy wasn't out there creating music.

How are people letting Diddy disrespecting people like Dre, Premo, rZA, Pete, etc? Diddy ain't no musician.

Dre is a musician but he also had a lot of lazy sampling: nuthing but a g thang, i can't give him credit for that

 

[DaHNIC82]

Dre was too. Nuthin But A G Thang was a straight up loop. Amongst a bunch of other G Funk shyt he was doing. Lol.

You gotta look at it like this too champ.. He felt he can talk that shyt because He was already coming off of the NWA albums and alot of that shyt he and Yella did sounded nothing like I heard because Yella told me that they were the poster child of the sample laws so with N!ggaz4life they did less sampling.


Shyt like Appetite of Destruction, Real N!ggaz Dont Die, and 100 Miles and Runnin were incredible

 

[NormanConnors]

he interpolated some of it. it wasnt a straight up jack. dre does have some straight up jacks like my name is by em. but dre also has shyt that sounds like Can’t C Me by pac and the compilation he put out in 96 diddy got off almost exclusively on nostalgia.

My name is isnt jack, that's a bad example, that would be considered a sample dig considering its placement in the original song.

Nuthin But A G Thang would be a better example, but even with that I would consider it an interpolation/borderline cover instead of a jack due to it being a replayed composition. Ice Cube's funk run is more of a jack/comparable to Diddy.

 

[Cadillac]

This is why I found it funny in that jd/puffy thread someone said the Dres/Puffys look down on JD

shyt nikka, in Dres eyes Puffy ain't shyt either

 

[Master Teacher]

I don't know why people acting like a puffy is a beat maker or something, he was a producer, meaning he makes the decisions

He tell the beat maker what to sample, he tell them to redo the drums, turn up the vocals, mute out certain instrumentals, etc

Rza, and DJ Premier are beat makers, Dre is a producer and a beat maker, I mean Daz did most of that death row shyt, Dre barely made any beats, he just turned some knobbs and made the decisions, based on what he thought sounded the best that's what a producer does, in music a producer is equal to the director of a film, the film producer who finances the project is called the executive producer in music, that's what P diddy did, he just wrote the check for everything, that's why he has executive producer credits, and why he said I don't write rhymes I write checks

Diddy wants to perform his songs and have Dre perform his songs in versus

he not trying to play songs he produced like a DJ against JD or any of these other beat makers, that's not his lane, diddy wants to perform as an artist, he was the biggest artist on bad boy after biggie died lmao, I don't know why people keep trying to shoehorn in this producer lane when he was never a producer lmao

 

[pawdalaw]

@Master Teacher
I think this whole discussion comes from both guys wearing the executive producer hat. Shyt, now that I think about it JD deserves more respect based on what he's done with Mariah Carey alone. Didn't he write most of her Album?

 

[spliz]

THIS

Bruh Straight Outta Compton movie pissed me off wit that scene where they was acting like Dre was playing the keys for Nuthin But A G Thang. I’m like why is this nikka still cappin about the way that beat came about? Lol

 

[Master Teacher]

@Master Teacher
I think this whole discussion comes from both guys wearing the executive producer hat. Shyt, now that I think about it JD deserves more respect based on what he's done with Mariah Carey alone. Didn't he write most of her Album?

This is versus, you gotta perform YOUR RECORDS

JD can't sing Mariah Carey songs, nobody wants to sit there and look at this ugly ass nikka while he play 20 R&B records

that's not what versus is, that shyt is wack, you can do that on radio, and have people call in and vote,

versus is about ARTIST vs ARTIST

Timbo and Swizz beats ain't happen yet, because how they gonna do, they just gonna a DJ play the records they produced lmao, that shyt is wack only way it would work is if they had the artist come out and perform those songs, and that's a lot to organize

Dre got a catalogue of songs that our his and songs he got verse on he can perform himself, and so does Diddy, that's why the match up make more sense

JD ain't got shyt he can perform, and made zero impact as an artist, nobody trying hear no goddamn snap music or any JD rap verses period

 

[spliz]

This is why I found it funny in that jd/puffy thread someone said the Dres/Puffys look down on JD

shyt nikka, in Dres eyes Puffy ain't shyt either

I said it and what I said still remains true regardless of how Dre looks at Puff.