I dont see how god explains how there is life ?

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LOL @ these hippie, weedhead-ass answers

"Look, man....God exists, but he doesn't EXIST, ya know? He's nothing, but he's everything, brah. And time never started; it just always WAS, man. It's all subjective, man. And the only reason we die is because we accept death as an inevitability, maaaaan"
 
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It's funny how people put their own conditions on what God should be and shouldnt' be and should do and shouldn't do and question/dismiss his existence based upon their own made up criteria of what God should be. If you don't believe in God then that is your choice but to come with this weak reasoning of "Well if he's God He should do this or He shouldnt' do that." just doesn't make sense. If you believe in God then you believe that God is superior to you and all humans and thusly you have to answer and explain yourself to him instead of the converse.
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So what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Both, and none, since both are God and time does not exist.

why didn't god make brad pitt a muslim?

He is muslim, but his demonic free will is hiding it from himself. The saddest part is that since time doesn't exist, he will never see the light.

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Even if God had an origin, came forward and was like this is my origin. The question would be so loaded the average nikkas head would buss (no homo) trying to comprehend everything and trying to come up with the million questions that follow and lead back to how limited our current understanding of the universe is.

This is a question far beyond and far off from our level of understanding. Start smaller. We dont even fully understand the cell.

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so you rather stay ignorant and be lead by false prophets?

Im going to be dead in less then 100 years. Thats not enough time to unravel the mysteries of the universe. Thats enough to replicate some of Gods works with material that God has already provided for us. Not enough to understand, the cell and to fathom something with no beginning, friend. Lets understand this like things we get and realize spending our life as non-scientists is wasted thinking we'll understand these mysteries before we die. Life is hard hug him.
 

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if that's the case, why do we exist?? by what you're saying, our destinies are predetermined because already knows what we're thinking, so he knows whether we're going to choose to worship Him or not. if he knows this, then why bother making us live life??

We exist because he created us. You tell me why we exist. What is the explanation of existence that doesn't involve God? A random explosion that creates a bunch of creatures that eventually evolve into humans? Anything that you believe about how we got here requires a leap of faith. For the rest of my response look below.

goes against the english language. How can you not see that an ominpotent creator did not give you free will if it knew by creating you what you would do so by your logic when god made you it knew from the get go if you were going to heaven or hell. It knew your every sin before you could commit it so you were doomed or blessed before you were born. Explain how is any of that free will if your creator knows how you will be judged.

For the last time knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two different things. God knows everyone's heart and mind but he doesn't CONTROL it. We make our own choices but He knows beforehand. He's not controlling us, he's allowing us to either come to him freely or reject him freely. It really is a simple concept. I'm sure you gonna respond with more reaches and assumption and challenges but the reality is your argument is flawed because you refuse to acknowledge that knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two different things and that we as people make our own choices in terms of morality and worship and God merely observes and follows through on His word when the times comes.

TBH I can't speak for God. I can only provide you with my understanding. If you don't accept that that is fine. But to keep throwing these conditions and false conclusions (He's knows what will happen so he must be controlling it too. :what:) is just silly. If you guys wanna have a honest debate I am down however to continue to debate when you have really provided no basis beyond questions that can't be answered by anyone or anything or expecting God to be a genie or acting as if God's knowledge of what will happen and power to control everything=Him actually controlling everything is just silly. Your choice not to believe in Him is proof that He doesn't control everything. You do what you please. You have free will. Can any of you provide and argument that isn't flimsy? I am done arguing these points so if you don't have anymore I'm done.
 

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We exist because he created us. You tell me why we exist. What is the explanation of existence that doesn't involve God? A random explosion that creates a bunch of creatures that eventually evolve into humans? Anything that you believe about how we got here requires a leap of faith. For the rest of my response look below.



For the last time knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two different things. God knows everyone's heart and mind but he doesn't CONTROL it. We make our own choices but He knows beforehand. He's not controlling us, he's allowing us to either come to him freely or reject him freely. It really is a simple concept. I'm sure you gonna respond with more reaches and assumption and challenges but the reality is your argument is flawed because you refuse to acknowledge that knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two different things and that we as people make our own choices in terms of morality and worship and God merely observes and follows through on His word when the times comes.

TBH I can't speak for God. I can only provide you with my understanding. If you don't accept that that is fine. But to keep throwing these conditions and false conclusions (He's knows what will happen so he must be controlling it too. :what:) is just silly. If you guys wanna have a honest debate I am down however to continue to debate when you have really provided no basis beyond questions that can't be answered by anyone or anything or expecting God to be a genie or acting as if God's knowledge of what will happen and power to control everything=Him actually controlling everything is just silly. Your choice not to believe in Him is proof that He doesn't control everything. You do what you please. You have free will. Can any of you provide and argument that isn't flimsy? I am done arguing these points so if you don't have anymore I'm done.


You have yet to provide me with a example of freewill if god controlled my very existence. That is something you can not explain so you repeat that god knows but can not act. You think of god as some type of watcher which in my opinion makes god powerless over my life and makes that unworthy of worship. If the God has no control of my actions and thought then conditions of getting into an heaven or hell are not based on the word of god that man has provided because that changes from culture to culture. Then conditions must be something else if there is no unified and precise rules told to us by God. I do not deny the existence of some type of creator but i do question why we should worship a God that is not clear (as you can see though history) Do you but your reasoning is false if you think you could answer the paradox i gave you.
 

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You have yet to provide me with a example of freewill if god controlled my very existence. That is something you can not explain so you repeat that god knows but can not act. You think of god as some type of watcher which in my opinion makes god powerless over my life and makes that unworthy of worship. If the God has no control of my actions and thought then conditions of getting into an heaven or hell are not based on the word of god that man has provided because that changes from culture to culture. Then conditions must be something else if there is no unified and precise rules told to us by God. I do not deny the existence of some type of creator but i do question why we should worship a God that is not clear (as you can see though history) Do you but your reasoning is false if you think you could answer the paradox i gave you.

As long as you cling to that weak, incorrect notion you will never have any answers. No answer will ever suffice with you putting your own pre-conceived condition on everything. I have repeated over and over again that it is not an issue of God's ability to act as much as it's an issue of His choice not to act or to only act when he sees fit and yet you stay bouncing between what He cant' do or He does everything. You refusal to accept such a simple concept leads me to believe that you are arguing for the sake or arguing rather than truly looking for answers.

No part of history is clear as it is all different peoples accounts of what happened. So in that case you don't believe in or question the existence of everyone throughout history.

What you believe in is a personal choice and it's up to everyone to make their own choices. I don't know about you but a being that can make the whole world and everything in it and that has the power to reward me with eternal paradise or eternal torment deserves worship. Now if you don't believe that's your choice. Just don't let flimsy circular reasoning be the reason that you don't.
 

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As long as you cling to that weak, incorrect notion you will never have any answers. No answer will ever suffice with you putting your own pre-conceived condition on everything. I have repeated over and over again that it is not an issue of God's ability to act as much as it's an issue of His choice not to act or to only act when he sees fit and yet you stay bouncing between what He cant' do or He does everything. You refusal to accept such a simple concept leads me to believe that you are arguing for the sake or arguing rather than truly looking for answers.

No part of history is clear as it is all different peoples accounts of what happened. So in that case you don't believe in or question the existence of everyone throughout history.

What you believe in is a personal choice and it's up to everyone to make their own choices. I don't know about you but a being that can make the whole world and everything in it and that has the power to reward me with eternal paradise or eternal torment deserves worship. Now if you don't believe that's your choice. Just don't let flimsy circular reasoning be the reason that you don't.

how do you know God can act? have you witnessed this for yourself?

and you are arrogant to believe just because i don't share your opinion that i am arguing with you on purpose. I presented you with a paradox to make you think but yet you gave me an answer that is a paradox itself and I am just arguing with you?
 

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According to the bible we are just little pawns so god can show all his cool powers off. Like killing all of Egypt's firstborn, infecting the country with boils, and making the Nile turn into blood. God himself hardened Ramses' heart; there's no free free- will.

The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.
 

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Read Psalms chapter 82 and Quran 50:16

There is no invisible mystery god in the sky making things happen. We gotta wake up and stop worshiping idols.

Acts 17:22-25

Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.

0+0=0

The kingdom of god is within you

Cor 3:16 - "Do you not know that you are the temple(physical body) of god(mind) and that the spirit of god dwells in you?"

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To truly know how god operates, one must understand the natural way of life. Which is mathematics, which is Islam.

Quran 30::30 - So set thy face for religion, being upright, the nature made by Allah in which he created men. There is no altering Allah's creation. That is the right religion - but most people know not!

This verse is talking about the natural way of life for all things in existence. Not the religion Islam that came 1400 years ago(religion doesn't need to come unless people go astray)but Islam the culture. There is no altering mathematics. 2+2=4....always...

Everybody and everything uses mathematics everyday. The problem is most people know not the order or how to correctly use the math of life. Instead we hope and look to a god we've never seen before solve our problems.

Nothing happens just because and god can do anything AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY.

Proverbs 23:7 - For as he thinks in his heart, so is he :wow:

Bible is full of wisdom when one understands it :yes:

I John 4:20 - "If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen."

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how do you know God can act? have you witnessed this for yourself?

and you are arrogant to believe just because i don't share your opinion that i am arguing with you on purpose. I presented you with a paradox to make you think but yet you gave me an answer that is a paradox itself and I am just arguing with you?

How do you know He can't? I believe in God and I believe He can do whatever He wants. If you disagree that's on you but don't try to act as if your question wasn't answered. You may not accept or like that answer and that is your right but to go post after post and draw false conclusions that can easily be debunked is arguing on purpose. How many times have I said that God knows all but doesn't control all by choice. Yet you keep repeating "How can there be free will if He knows what's gonna happen?" in some form.

Arrogant is you suggesting what God should or should not do to prove His existence to you. Once again it is your choice to believe or not to believe all I ask is that you come with more than circular arguments and demands to make your point.
 
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