I dont see how god explains how there is life ?

[FTBS]

No I am logically trying to understand god. Remove any idea you have of god because of religion and just look at it as a creator. God created the universe and earth. God created animals and plant life. Then humans come around now before man there were animals and as far as we know animals have no concept of god because they don't have higher brain functions. We do so we can understand the idea of something creating everything. We were not built with some pre idea of god because as you can see many religions arise because of this question of a creator. Because we are not pre-programed with knowing what god is then we have free will. If we have free will then the creator made us like all the other animals to do our own thing. Now if you think god is omnipotent then when this god decided to create it knew the outcome before it even started meaning every move you make was predetermined no matter how you look at it. By creating us this omnipotent god took our freewill away because it knew the outcome. That is if you believe god is omnipotent if you don't then god is just a middle man to something else that created life and is not a god worthy of worship.

See this is the reach. Knowing the outcome is not the same as controlling the outcome. We can do what we want, God just knows what we are gonna do before we do it. You keep belaboring the omnipotence/free will piece...acting as if they are contradictory. That's a very weak point and it really just seems like you are reaching for reasons to question/deny the existence of God rather than actually trying to look at this thing logically. If you watch a movie for the second time and you already know what's gonna happen does that mean you are controlling what's happening?

 

[Bud Bundy]

See this is the reach. Knowing the outcome is not the same as controlling the outcome. We can do what we want, God just knows what we are gonna do before we do it. You keep belaboring the omnipotence/free will piece...acting as if they are contradictory. That's a very weak point and it really just seems like you are reaching for reasons to question/deny the existence of God rather than actually trying to look at this thing logically. If you watch a movie for the second time and you already know what's gonna happen does that mean you are controlling what's happening?

If you are making a movie do you not know the ending before you begin production.

You are just not thinking deep enough because it rocks your belief.

 

[Conscious Pilot]

Man is mind and man is god. Having no beginning nor ending. Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, which is what Allah - Arm Leg Leg Arm Head is. He is the Atom - Allah The Original Man, the basic unit of matter that came out of triple stage darkness, and created everything that you see.

Adam=Atom

 

[FTBS]

If you are making a movie do you not know the ending before you begin production.

You are just not thinking deep enough because it rocks your belief.

I clearly referenced watching a movie which is about as close to omniscience as a person can get. Even when making a movie plenty of unexpected or unaccounted for things occur.

You are just grasping at straws in order to question/deny any belief. Fact is everybody believes in something that is beyond their understanding and can't be proved. I don't knock anyone's belief but I will knock faulty reasoning every chance I get. If you don't believe in God purely because you can't reconcile free will and omniscience then either you aren't very bright or you are just determined to be contrary. I'll guess B.

 

[Bud Bundy]

I clearly referenced watching a movie which is about as close to omniscience as a person can get. Even when making a movie plenty of unexpected or unaccounted for things occur.

You are just grasping at straws in order to question/deny any belief. Fact is everybody believes in something that is beyond their understanding and can't be proved. I don't knock anyone's belief but I will knock faulty reasoning every chance I get. If you don't believe in God purely because you can't reconcile free will and omniscience then either you aren't very bright or you are just determined to be contrary. I'll guess B.

How is my reasoning faulty?

If god is is both omnipotent and omniscient then it has complete authority of my life because it controlled when i was made and saw what I was going to do. Where is my free will in that scenario? I am walking down a road God knows i was going to go left before I was even created. The day comes and I go left how was i exercising free will if God knew I was going left?

And your movie analogy is poor because making the movie puts you in control of the beginning and ending. Kind of like god.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

God has already explained life in the Quran, the final revelation. Reference The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

 

[Bud Bundy]

God has already explained life in the Quran, the final revelation. Reference The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

why did god go through one man instead of telling everyone about the Quran?

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

why did god go through one man instead of telling everyone about the Quran?

Why did The One and Only True God, Allah not make you Brad Pitt?

 

[FTBS]

How is my reasoning faulty?

If god is is both omnipotent and omniscient then it has complete authority of my life because it controlled when i was made and saw what I was going to do. Where is my free will in that scenario? I am walking down a road God knows i was going to go left before I was even created. The day comes and I go left how was i exercising free will if God knew I was going left?

And your movie analogy is poor because making the movie puts you in control of the beginning and ending. Kind of like god.

Once again knowing and controlling are two different things. It's your choice to go left. God gives you that choice. Just because He knows you are gonna make it doesn't mean you didn't have free will. God can control your life if He chooses but he doesn't. You are confusing ability with implementation.

My movie analogy was based in watching the movie ie knowing what is going to happen without manipulating the outcome yourself. You brought the poorly conceived production piece into the discussion.

 

[Gallo]

http://www.the-coli.com/2246987-post5.html

I made this post a while ago regarding OP's question (origin of life/consciousness). I said I was full of shyt but i think my theory has some merit. It come from lots of thinking and talking and reading and piecing shyt together, trying hard to be as honest to myself as possible. Ultimately, I'd say it's just what my minds done with trying to be absolutely honest and seeking to comprehend the things that truly fascinate me.

It's hard to explain. I've come to the tentative conclusion that meaning is pure abstract and thus cannot exist in the physical. it can be bourne of the physical, but it itself must be other than physical - or at least physical as it's normally thought of. I think're our physicality is bound to space-time. We are a configuration of energy bound to classical space-time, but we generate abstracts, which can't exist in space-time because basically, there's nowhere to put them. Thus, there must exist an inner spatial dimension. Knowing a smidge about geometry, I infer that it's fundamentally perpendicular to space-time in the classical sense. And it seems to me that the properties of "hyperdimensional objects" coincide to some extent with the phenomenon of conciousness and life. That's it in a nutshell.

This comes mostly Via M-theory (string theory) and Douglas Hofstadter. I think I kind of get it. I stumbled across the thought "hey, the moment is comprised of more moments than just the moment" a few years ago, and explored it. I think I've come up with at least some interesting stuff.

But then again, God probably did it

 

[Bud Bundy]

Once again knowing and controlling are two different things. It's your choice to go left. God gives you that choice. Just because He knows you are gonna make it doesn't mean you didn't have free will. God can control your life if He chooses but he doesn't. You are confusing ability with implementation.

My movie analogy was based in watching the movie ie knowing what is going to happen without manipulating the outcome yourself. You brought the poorly conceived production piece into the discussion.

God had control by creating me. It exercised this control by my creation and it knows all my moves. Where is the free will? We keep going around in circles but you can not be creator of everything knowing what is going to happen and ever be surprised because that make you fallible which God is not. God can not be all knowing and all powerful if we have free will.

And your movie anolgy is shaky because god manipulated the outcome by creating us. You can't take that out of the equation.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Why did The One and Only True God, Allah not make you Brad Pitt?

why didn't god make brad pitt a muslim?

 

[FTBS]

God had control by creating me. It exercised this control by my creation and it knows all my moves. Where is the free will? We keep going around in circles but you can not be creator of everything knowing what is going to happen and ever be surprised because that make you fallible which God is not. God can not be all knowing and all powerful if we have free will.

And your movie anolgy is shaky because god manipulated the outcome by creating us. You can't take that out of the equation.

Yet another reach. So basically in your mind it's impossible to have an all powerful, all knowing God create people and allow those people to have free will? Since He made those people he knows what they are gonna do however He still allows them to do as the chose and treats them accordingly after they die. I still say it's a pretty simple concept and the only confusion there is intentional but no point in continuing to go in circles.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Yet another reach. So basically in your mind it's impossible to have an all powerful, all knowing God create people and allow those people to have free will? Since He made those people he knows what they are gonna do however He still allows them to do as the chose and treats them accordingly after they die. I still say it's a pretty simple concept and the only confusion there is intentional but no point in continuing to go in circles.

goes against the english language. How can you not see that an ominpotent creator did not give you free will if it knew by creating you what you would do so by your logic when god made you it knew from the get go if you were going to heaven or hell. It knew your every sin before you could commit it so you were doomed or blessed before you were born. Explain how is any of that free will if your creator knows how you will be judged.

 

[VICVALLIN]

Every explanation for the beginning of life has unanswered questions or paradoxes. With evolution for example, how does a random ass explosion produce what eventually becomes people and animals and everything else on Earth? It really comes down to what a person chooses to believe. I always find it humorous how people can be so dismissive of one line of thinking when we are all really just guessing and there is no way to truly verify anything.



Because he's in control of the afterlife therefore we must play by his rules if we want things to go our way however we can choose not to. A good analogy would be your job. You have free will to do whatever you wanna do at your job. However if you don't do what you boss wants you to do the result probably won't be to favorable for you.




That is not a contradiction. Knowing what will happen doesn't equal controlling what happens. It's just like if you sit back and watch someone do something and you know exactly how it's gonna end up does that mean that person didn't have free will to do what they did?

if that's the case, why do we exist?? by what you're saying, our destinies are predetermined because already knows what we're thinking, so he knows whether we're going to choose to worship Him or not. if he knows this, then why bother making us live life??